2020 Hyundai Palisade First Impressions | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #210

2020 Hyundai Palisade First Impressions | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #210

We give our first impressions
of the all new 2020 Hyundai Palisade, discuss
how important it is for a team to
learn how to drive with a manual transmission,
and pick the perfect road trip car for one of our colleagues–
next on Talking Cars. [MUSIC PLAYING] Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode. I’m Mike Monticello. I’m Mike Quincy. And I’m Jon Linkov. And you know– it’s summer! And you know what that
means, right, guys? Sweating. Yeah– sweating and,
also, road trips. And we know a lot of you
people out there watching and listening are going
to be taking road trips with either family and friends. And also, we’re going to be
taking a lot of road trips here. It gives us a good time
to further evaluate all the test cars we have. Those of you that
are new to the show, we buy all of our own test
cars and we put brake-in miles on them. We put them through
our test program. And then we keep them
for several months afterwards to do
further evaluations, possible comparisons with
other cars that we get in, as well as testing the advanced
safety systems, and also– Mm-hm– well, hopefully, not
testing them [INAUDIBLE].. Well, no– Shawn Sinclair– There we go. Yeah, there we go. –and
Kelly Funkhouser are out there testing the safety systems– Right– right. –on our test track. But it gives us the chance to
spend a lot of time with a car. And Jon Linkov here
made the mistake of telling Quincy
and I that he’s going to be taking a
week long road trip– Yep. –to Montreal, Canada and back
through Burlington, Vermont– Yep. –in a few weeks. And what’s rare about
this trip for him– Jon has two of the
cutest little kids ever. Oh! But usually, they go with
them on all their road trips and vacations. And this time, it’s just
going to be you and your wife. Because it’s illegal to
leave at home by themselves. [LAUGHTER] Yeah– it’s whatever! So he said, you guys should
find us a road trip car. And so, don’t give Quince
and I the chance for that. Oh, no. So that was the deal. We each make a case
for a road trip car. And then he’s going to choose
which one of these he thinks is the best fit. And he has to take this car. That’s the stipulation. But he made some
stipulations, which is– he said, the car must be
easy to park in a city. It must be roomy enough
for bags and beer coolers. I don’t know what he would
need a beer cooler for. Well– that good
Canadian beer, eh? Yes, [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER] And also, he said, it
can’t be something that will be miserable in the rain. And he specifically
said, no BMW Z4– See– –because it’s so small, right? It’s so funny. Because that was going to– Well, it’s– –be the first one I went to,
because there’s no back seat. You don’t have to
worry about it. Yeah– some of the stuff–
like, parking a car. I don’t want to run
into something where, if I park it in
Montreal, it’s like– oh, it’s the Hyundai
Palisade, Kia Telluride, Chevy Suburban size vehicle– You don’t want a huge vehicle. –where they’re like– I get it. –an extra $40 a day to park it. Right. And it’s also just– Well, and even if I’m
parking [INAUDIBLE]—- –so awkward. It’s so huge to– Exactly. [INTERPOSING VOICES] –if you’re just trying
to park it now and then. [INTERPOSING VOICES] And I already did that
once, for a bachelor party– OK, so– –with a Tahoe. And the thing with the
Z4 type of thing was– you just don’t– 300, 400, 500 miles in a
car where it’s pouring rain and it’s a little convertible. It’s just not pleasant. I hear you. Right. Yeah, so if it was back
roads through Vermont, it would be great. But likelihood is, there’s
going to be rain or– So that’s the game
we’re playing. That’s the game. Quince, you’re
going to go first. Tell Jon– what car
have you picked out for he and his wife to take
on this awesome road trip? Well, when I heard about this
whole scenario, I thought, oh! That’s so awesome. Because I have two kids too. They’re somewhat
older than Jon’s kids. So the first time that my wife
and I could get away on just the two of us road trip, I just
couldn’t– you love your kids. But boy, it’s nice to just
get away, just the two of you. So I thought, OK– no kids. You don’t have to
worry about a backseat. Mm-hm. And I’m thinking about– OK, you’re going to be
driving up to Canada– good fuel economy and, in my
opinion, a good sound system. Because I don’t know
about how much music you play in your house, but– Lots. –we had Green Day. But we couldn’t play it
in front of our kids, because it was just
full of curse words. So I’m thinking, OK, you get to
play all those CDs or whatever that you can’t play before. And you’re going to play
it at a loud volume. So I thought, BMW 330i– great gas mileage, a really good
cruising range, a decent ride, good handling. It’s a satisfying car to drive. I know that’s important to you. You don’t want just
some floaty thing that’s going to make you fall asleep. Yeah. So I thought that would
be an awesome one, because the
weaknesses of the 330i are stuff that you don’t
really have to worry about– namely, the small backseat. Sure– yes. As well as the kind
of stiff ride– Yeah– –that’s a bit of a problem. –it’s stiff, but– I think you– [INTERPOSING VOICES] –highway cruising– But it’s not– [INTERPOSING VOICES] I don’t think the 3
Series is jarring. Yeah. So I actually picked– I think, that’s an
excellent choice, Quince. It’s good. OK, Jon says it’s a good choice. Acceptable? We’ll hang the tag on the board. It’s acceptable. [INTERPOSING VOICES] So I came up with a similar
car, the Genesis G70. That was my second choice. And I’ll tell you why. That was my second choice. I went with that
for many reasons. But one is, it actually
has an almost shockingly small rear seat. Yep. Yep. But in this case, you don’t
have to worry about that. That doesn’t matter. But it has a really
nice interior. The front seats are
super comfortable– very easy controls, which
is important on a long trip. Definitely. You don’t want to be
annoyed with the controls. Really nice drive train,
handles really well– so those are my suggestions. And now, So it’s– –grace us with your pick. Well, so it’s
interesting– in the quasi great minds think alike. So I put the question
out to John Ibbotson, who’s our chief mechanic
and runs our shop. He also is the
keeper of the keys. And we’ve shown the
keyboard before. Very important person–
very important person. Always make friends
with John Ibbotson. Exactly. And I said, look, what is
something that needs miles, in the sense of evaluation,
but people haven’t claimed or it’s not in testing or
we’re not going to sell it? You know– it’s not
in a weird space. And I had said, two of
the cars I was looking at– possibilities– the Cadillac XT4 SUV,
because of the space, because of the size, because
the interior room, and the G70. Yeah. So– Hah! –he assigned me the XT4. Ah– jeez. See I think that– So– I find that so boring– See, the problem is– –to drive though. Well, the problem is that
Mike put his name on the BMW 3 series for the same time period. So– Some host you are. So apparently– no, no, no. So apparently, per rules of the
table, he has to get out of it. And I get the 3 Series. [INAUDIBLE] No, no, no– only if
you choose the 3 Series. But I also want to
say that this show– everyone knows
that the podcast– Is fantasy based. –gets priority– no. It gets priority over
any other decision. So you’re using it
for research purposes? No, I’m saying, if we say
that he has to take the G70, then he has to take– Oh, there you go. –the G70. And if you opt to
take the 3 Series, I will take the G70, while
you take the 3 Series. That’s fine. But what is– Again, so the– But what is your choice? Well, yeah– actually,
you wouldn’t– We want to know. –go wrong with that. Everyone out there– Yeah. –wants to know. I would take the 3 Series. OK– hurtful. And here’s the reason. So I took the G70 on a
trip– a boy’s weekend to Portland, Maine. And there were three of us. And it was very
tight, like you said. But– Right, in the back seat. Yeah. In the back seat, but
with three people. Right. But the cockpit– the drivers
area– is still small. Even if you push the seat
back, it’s still not great. The 3 Series a bit roomier. The 3 Series is a little
more exciting to drive. It has a longer cruising range. It also– Cruising range is– I check that out. Yeah, but you’re going
to need to get out every once in a while. I did my homework, [INAUDIBLE]. [INTERPOSING VOICES] Because super-producer
Dave Abrams wants me to do my own work. No, because my
wife falls asleep. And I just drive. OK– fine. So I would take the
3 Series over those. The Cadillac’s a fine option. It is utterly– Boring. –unexciting. It’s boring. It’s a competent small SUV. Right. OK. And that’s about it. So I would take the BMW. OK, so it sounds
like, per the rules– my own dumb rules– I have to get out of the
3 Series, give it to him, and take something else for the
little thing I was going to do. You’re clearly more important. Anyway, so that’s his pick– BMW 3 series– for his
road trip with his wife. Good for you. Let’s move on to
our next segment, which is driven this week
at the auto test center. Oh, but I will bring
photos, by the way. Our next segment is driven this
week at the auto test center. And what we drove this week
was the 2020 Hyundai Palisade. And actually, it was a vehicle
that we rented from Hyundai. It’s the Palisade Limited. It was $47,445, as we drove it. Our usual disclaimer– this
is our first impressions of the vehicle. We will be buying
a Palisades soon. But these are our
first impressions. Most interesting thing
about this vehicle is that it’s, basically, the
mechanical sibling to the Kia Telluride that
we’ve already tested and that we like quite a bit. Mm-hm. It found itself nearly at
the top of our three-row SUV ratings. And so, since you
and I already talked. I’m going to throw it
to you, Jon, first. What are your impressions
of the Palisade?– whether it’s versus
the Telluride or– Or versus anything. –versus the other vehicles,
like the Chevy Traverse, Ford Explorer, Honda
Pilot, Toyota Highlander, or all those– Sure– sure. –cars in the class. Since I’ve been here so long and
I’ve accrued so much vacation, a couple weeks ago I
actually took the Kia– The Telluride– –on a week-long trip– this time with the children. And it’s a great vehicle– in fact, so much so that I
don’t know if the Hyundai is a necessary step
up, because it’s a little more luxurious, a
little more the luxury version. Kia was great on the road. It’s got the same
little USB plugs in the back of the front seat. So devices for kids can be
charged where the cable’s not being stretched. It’s right up front. It’s quiet it rides very well
over a variety of surfaces, from I-95 highway to broken
Washington, DC roads. That’s where we went. Huge cargo area when you
have the second row up– even roomy with the third row. They’re both “knock out of the
park” vehicles, in my opinion. The touch button
transmission shifter on the Hyundai instead
of the conventional one that’s in the Kia– it’s a little goofy. It’s a little overwrought. It’s very nice media
car too that they have with the quilted
seats and such. But again– apples to apples. I don’t really see a
whole heck of a lot that I would say, spend the
extra couple thousand dollars– Right. –on the Hyundai. Quince, what did you find from
your driving the Palisade? I can’t disagree with
anything Jon is saying. It’s very fancy. I think, when you put a
passenger in the Palisade that hadn’t been in
something like that before, they would probably look
around and say, this is nice! This must be– Yeah. –really expensive! We need to just say, this
was an upper echelon car. Sure. As most of the cars that
they provide the press are. Yeah, and the one that
we rented from Hyundai had the fancy video feed
in the instrument panel. So when you’re turning
right and left, you get this little TV
things going on near– they– It shows the blind
spot and [INAUDIBLE].. Right. And I found that that
got old for me fast. So it’s kind of a gee whiz
thing when you look at it first. And maybe your
passenger’s like, oh! Look at that! It’s like TV in the
instrument panel. I didn’t care for that much. There wasn’t enough here
with the Palisade that made me think, oh,
I’d much rather have that than the Telluride. But with the Telluride– we have a lot of fancy SUVs here
at the track– expensive SUVs. A bunch of us were
talking the other day. And I was saying, forget
the high-end European SUVs that we’ve got. I’ll take the Telluride
4 over those any day. And a interesting
thing between friends, just random people I saw pulling
in the hotel– whatever– everyone thinks
it’s a Range Rover. Right. They look at it and they go– Yeah. –this styling is so much– And also, the way that they
have the name of the car– Exactly. The font. The font– Yeah, sure. –looks very much
like our Range Rover. Yeah, so the Kia looks very,
very upscale, like you said. Right– yeah. So this is an upscale. This was a limited upscale trim. I thought that, just like the
door panels that are perforated was so beautiful and the
suede-like headliner– there’s just some really
nice stuff in there. The way they did the
infotainment screen– it’s a larger
infotainment screen. But they glossy blacked
out this entire panel. So it makes it look like it’s
one of those Mercedes ones that goes all the
way across the car. Right– from the console– yeah. They worked really
hard with this car. The Palisade is a little more
expensive than the Telluride. I would say a couple of things
in that– how quiet it is. I would say that the rear
seat is extremely roomy– Right. –for adults and kids. And the way that the seat
flips, where you press the button and it just slides– super attention to detail,
as far as usability. Yeah. Right. And both vehicles did that. The one thing I noticed– first of all, driving
it, it felt very much like the Telluride. It would be hard pressed
for someone, I think, if they were– don’t drive
blindfolded, obviously. But if you did
that test where you didn’t know what
the vehicle was, I think you’d be hard pressed
to notice the difference. The one thing I
noticed on the Palisade that I didn’t remember
on the Telluride was, when I’d slow down for
a turn and then get back on the throttle, sometimes
there was a little hesitation, where it wasn’t sure–
maybe– what gear to be in. But we’re going to hold
out judgment on that till we get our own and really
see if that is an issue. And it was only a minor issue. But it was something I noticed. I’ve experienced that with V6. And it could be
just way I drive. I’m just not mashing it. So I’m just kind
of light throttle. For me, it’s [INAUDIBLE]. You’re a dainty driver. I’m a dainty driver– yeah. That’s why I’m
taking the 3 Series. That’s not a dainty car. So anyway– we do have a first
drive up on ConsumerReports.org of the Hyundai Palisade. So go check that out for
more information on the car. Moving onto our next
segment– audience questions. We love hearing from you guys. [email protected] Remember to send those comments,
questions, video clips in. So let’s go to the
first question. This is from Tom. Tom says, the Kia Niro,
recommended in 2018, lost that recommendation in
the 2019 annual auto issue. Its reliability rating
moved from Much Better than Average to Better than
Average, which is still good. Its overall score dropped,
though the two models are essentially the same. The 2019 was given a top safety
pick in the IIHS ratings. Could you please
tell me what accounts for the loss of recommendation? I’m considering buying
one, and I am confused. So Quince, can you help Tom
out here with his confusion? What’s going on here with
the reliability stuff? Sure, well, every year
we do our surveys– our owner satisfaction
and reliability surveys. Honestly, it’s one of the things
that makes Consumer Reports as famous as it is. And last year’s survey showed
that the Niro had a very good predicted reliability. But when we did
the latest survey, it dropped a little bit. And just that drop in overall
reliability with this car punched it out of the
recommended threshold, I suppose. It was kind of on the cusp last
year when it was recommend. It was just right at the
edge, among the Fuel Efficient Ratings category. Right. And as we like to say here–
because we test the vast majority of the
vehicles on the market– in the case of the
Niro, we usually will say something like, there
probably are better choices. The Niro isn’t a bad car. It’s fuel efficient. It’s a pretty solid performer. But when you compare it
to others in its class, like the Prius, it’s just
several steps behind. Yeah, and so in the
process of this, it fell down the
list a little bit. So it doesn’t look quite as good
as it did before, even though– In it’s overall score. –the car hasn’t changed. In its overall score. Right– yeah. Yeah, the road test score
has stayed the same. Right. So we didn’t retest it. You’re just using your data. And that happens. Every time we have the survey,
we’re going to have new data. It’s refreshed. And sometimes, even the
threshold for recommendation may change over time, just
because vehicles get better. And we are pushing the bar
that manufacturers must achieve to get a recommendation. Right. And again, like you
said, it’s a good car. If you want to say, I bought
a recommended car, OK. Well then, you have to
get one with the checkmark recommendation. Right. But you could say,
as a consumer– my opinion, in a sense–
you can look at road test. Maybe, road test is
the most important. Maybe reliability is the most
important, maybe overall score. Maybe it’s fuel economy. And you just want the
most fuel efficient car, but it just happens to have
had a bad year of reliability. It depends on what the
person wants to choose. The Niro is the
same vehicle it was. Right. And it’s still
pretty darn reliable. Right. Yeah. Right. And this reliability data that
we have changes every year. Sometimes, the cars stay exactly
the same with their ratings. Yeah. Sometimes, they go up
from where they were. Sometimes, they go
a little bit down. In this case, it went down. And it affected
its overall score. So that’s basically what’s
going on there, Tom. So let’s move onto
the next question. The next question
is from Joshua. Joshua says, my son
turns 15 in about a week. And if I can find
a mall parking lot, I will put him behind the
wheel for the first time, as my father did with me. My father also made
me learn to drive with a manual transmission,
which made me much more active with the driving experience. My question is– and please
don’t share with Jennifer, as I can picture her rolling
her eyes at me– kidding! Should my child’s
first car not include some of the safety features,
such as blind-spot monitoring, maybe even automatic
emergency braking, to encourage a more
attentive driving situation? So the first thing is, we
have to collectively roll our eyes for Jen. [EXASPERATED SIGH] So we are not actors,
believe it or not, folks. [INAUDIBLE] here. I’m going to throw
this to you first, Jon. This is an interesting question. Because I’ve actually never
seen a question like this before, where
someone said, maybe I shouldn’t get these
safety systems. And it’s not a stupid
question at all. It’s an interesting– No. –way to look at it, you know? OK, so we’ll unpack
it by going– a manual– great to
keep younger generation driving manual transmissions. Cool. And I went– Save the manuals! Yes– save the manuals. And I wanted a manual so badly,
but I learned on an automatic. And I think that– Hats off to him. I also then– I wanted to drive it to
drive my dad’s ’65 Corvette. So you know, there was a reason. I would say, with so many of
the distractions on the road– there’s so much going on– it’s
just different than 10, 15, 20 years ago– that for a new driver,
learn with an automatic. Get everything down. Add in manual transmission,
clutching a bit. Make sure you get the
fundamentals of driving down– my opinion. Yep. Maybe it varies. It’s something almost to achieve
to, in the sense of– look, get driving down. And then we’ll go to the manual. And you’ll have fun. And we can look for the car. As far as looking for a car
with the safety features, I would say that blind-spot
warning, I think, is really good, just because
styling has dropped windows and made greenhouses–
the window area– smaller. Right. And– It’s harder to see out of a car. It’s harder to see out of a car. And just, again, there’s
more traffic on the road. It’s more urban situa– it’s a really great help. I’m not going say– go
far to say, well, no. Don’t get safety features. But maybe with a
used car– and I don’t know if he’s looking
at a new or used vehicle. Right– he didn’t say. It may be hard to find that
unicorn of a car that’s in my price range that’s going
to have forward collision warning and automatic emergency
braking and blind spot. Because some of the cars
that are great choices that have manuals,
they’re only optional in a three or four
year ago time period. Right. Which is the sweet
spot of used cars. Not as common as it is now. Yeah. Sure– so Quince, two
questions for you. One, do you differ
on Jon’s opinion?– Jon’s suggestions? And also, do you have any
cars that you can recommend– Sure. –that would maybe even have
a manual and some FCW or AEB? I grew up. I drove a manual before
I drove an automatic. Me too. And that’s neither
here nor there. It doesn’t make us
better than you, Jon. My first car was a manual. My 19-year-old son– [INAUDIBLE] –drove an automatic
first but then learned to drive the manual. So just because your child
starts out with an automatic doesn’t mean they
can’t eventually transition over to a manual. Right. That being said, there
are some cars out there– I’m not saying they’re
going to be easy to find. But if you’re in the market
for a used car, look for a 2016 to 2017 Honda Accord. It was available with
a manual transmission and automatic emergency
braking, which is– for me, that would be
one of the great used car bargains for a young driver, but
has a lot of safety features. If you can go new, the Toyota
Corolla sedan and the Toyota Corolla hatchback–
both available with a manual transmission
and standard forward collision warning and automatic emergency
braking on every trim line. So those kinds of
cars are available. They’re out there. I’m not saying
they’re easy to find. You might have to order one– Yeah. –especially certainly the
new one– and wait for it. But hats off to dad saying,
you’re going to drive a manual. Right. Good on you. Well, a couple of things,
just before we wrap this up– you also want to look
for electronic stability control, which was mandated
by the federal government since 2012. Right. Is readily available on
some models since 2010. So you can look for that. If possible, you also want to
make sure the kid has that. We always say, get as
many safety systems as you can on the car
that you can afford. Mm-hm. Right. Obviously, it depends. Not everyone can afford a
brand new car for their kid. But that’s what you want is the
most amount of safety systems as you possibly can. But giving your young driver
every advantage possible is really– as parents, that’s the
thing that’s most important. Absolutely. Also, look for– we have
a few stories up online– “Best Cars for Teen
Drivers,” as well as “Best Used Cars for Teens.” So check that out on
ConsumerReports.org. There’s a lot of helpful
information in there. And our last question
is from Rebecca. Rebecca says, I own a
2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid, averaging 40 MPG. And I’m looking to upgrade
to a three-row SUV. My family is growing soon. So cargo space and fuel
economy are important to me, as is the functionality of
the infotainment system. I’ve narrowed my search down to
the Toyota Highlander hybrid– great gas mileage for
class but old tech– Mazda CX9– good tech but less
cargo and passenger space– or Subaru Ascent– lots
of space, but lackluster infotainment. To add to my struggle,
there are new vehicles in the class coming out
in the next year or two. Should I wait it out and see
what the 2020 models bring? Or is there a clear winner? All right– who wants
to take this first? [LAUGHTER] Jon? Jon raised his hand. Never a clear winner here! So go ahead, Jon. So good on her
for her narrowing. She– Narrowing down the choices– –really summed up– Really summed up well and hit
a lot of things that we hit on. Yep. I think the one
surprise I had was that she goes as far as to talk
about the Fusion Hybrid fuel economy. But moving to those big SUVs– that’s a huge drop– I mean, huge drop! Yeah. Particularly if you’re
driving around town. Yeah. And a huge drop in different
driving experience. Yeah, yeah. [INAUDIBLE] But I understand
the need for SUV. And she doesn’t say. Maybe her family is four. And she’s going– Yeah, you’re going to be– –to six or she’s going higher. You’re going to be in
the 20s, lengthwise. We don’t know. Right– we don’t all
the circumstances. So I would– let’s say
I’m not a personal fan of a lot of the newer
Toyotas– again, personally. I would say, the
Highlander hybrid. It’s going to give
her the best mileage. The tech is fine. It’s not cutting-edge exciting. But it works. It’s functional. Yeah. It works. It’s easy to figure out. Yes. It’s a simple car to live with. I didn’t mean to jump in. Please! But I also was going to go with
the Toyota Highlander hybrid. Mostly because,
really, for the size, you can’t be its fuel economy. And the reliability
record is outstanding. And it’s the final year. You could get a final run– Right. –before it’s
redesigned this fall, which I think she mentioned. It is getting redesigned. And you may not have a
hybrid– the first one. So that’s another consideration. Get one before it’s replaced. And at this point,
Toyota has a great record of– when they build
a car for a long time, toward the end of its
model run, there’s no more bugs to work out. Right. The only alternative that
I was going to offer up– and this is kind of crazy. And it doesn’t make
a lot of sense. You’re a nut. But– Let’s get crazy! –the Chrysler Pacifica hybrid. Now, it doesn’t have– Minivan. –near the reliability
of the Toyota Highlander. But in terms of a family
vehicle, it’s awesome. In terms of fuel economy,
it’s really surprising. I know that we tested
the first Pacifica. We were kind of like, eh. But then we tested
the hybrid version. And we were like,
this car got better. Yeah. Maybe the extra weight
of the batteries made it hunker
down a little bit. It rode better. It handled better. The fuel economy was
really impressive. But not in good conscience– I can’t say, get this. Because according to Consumer
Reports reliability surveys, the Pacifica is below average. Plus she could even– So– –plug it in in a garage. If she has access to a
garage, she could plug it. And it’s a plug-in hybrid. Right. She could charge it
overnight and actually get a decent charge
versus a pure plug-in. So I know, I kind of threw
a wrench in the monkey works there, but– That’s what you do. That’s what I do. Do you guys want to know
what I have to think? Or what I– Should we say, no? No– of course– So is that the– –of course. –end of the episode? No, I– No, go ahead– tell us. I think, I would say,
maybe Kia Telluride. We’ve been really impressed
with that vehicle. Mm-hm. And when you look
at it, if you think, OK, the Subaru Ascent is
tops in the class right now– this is a nicer driving
vehicle than that– Yes. –I think, in many ways. Definitely. It doesn’t have a
cushy of a ride. That’s true. But it doesn’t have a CVT,
the Continuously Variable Transmission, that
the Subaru has. It has a really nice V6. It has tons of room. Infotainment’s good. Infotainment’s– Yep. We go on and on about how
simple Hyundai’s and Kia’s infotainment systems
and controls are to use. But the downside–
the one caveat– would be, with both the
Palisade and the Telluride, is that they are
brand new vehicles. And so we usually say,
maybe wait for model year 2. And if she can’t wait for model
year 2, then I would say– but that said, Kia and
Hyundai’s reliability are usually pretty good. They’re usually
slightly above average. So– Right, well, what we often– I think, you’re not taking a
huge chance if you go with it. We have often seen that Hyundai
comes out with a vehicle first. And their vehicle
has eh reliability. So maybe it’s average. Right. Maybe it replaced
an above average or well above average
car, and its average or even has a little problem. And then Kia comes out
a year or so later, which is basically the same
exact thing, but a Kia. Learns from it. Yeah. And they’ve already
incorporated those fixes into their running line. So the first-year Kia has
far better reliability. So A– maybe the Hyundai
will be the choice– Right. –for her, because
the Kia’s already out. It’s coming out later– yeah. B– you may just want to
wait until year 2, at least, for the Kia– Right. and then year 2
with the Hyundai. Yeah. So hopefully, that
helps you out, Rebecca. That’s going to do it
for this week’s episode. Don’t forget to click on
the links in the show notes for more information on
the cars we talked about. And of course, send your
questions and comments and 30-second video clips
to [email protected] That’s it for this show. We’ll see you all next week. [ENGINE REVVING] [MUSIC PLAYING]

About the Author: Michael Flood


  1. The thing about manual for young drivers, is it's harder to text and drive when both hands and feet are at work….

    Just when Infiniti went smaller, Kia and Hyundai start making giant Infiniti suv clones… Kia/Hyundai are just a small taste of what Chinese automakers will be delivering in the west.

  2. You seem reluctant to criticize the Niro.Would have been nice if you told us exactly what it is about the Niro that caused CR to not recommend it this year. In this price range, reliability is the biggest concern, imo

  3. When compared spec for spec, I would chose the Telluride/Palisade over their luxury competitors. The $30-50K delta is unjustifiable for this kind of vehicle.

  4. Jon, Take the Corolla Hybrid to Montreal. Car & Driver got 56 highway mpg in their recent test and gas is sufficiently expensive in Quebec to justify the thrift. #BonVoyage

  5. Rebecca – The CR guys didn't mention this so I thought I give my suggestion. The 2020 Highlander Hybrid has a complete redesign and upgraded infotainment center AND it will get 34 MPG. No other mid-size SUV offers this kind of mileage. Since you are used to 40 MPG this would definitely be better than dropping down into the 20's of the other choices. It is an SUV so you'll get the benefits of sitting higher while driving as well as having the excellent cargo space including a 3rd row. A nice thing about the Highlander is that it's somewhat unique in being a little smaller than the behemoths like the Telluride and Palisade. Research it and watch some of the unveiling videos on YouTube and you'll see what I mean. Note, however, that the hybrid model won't be available until February of 2020. The V-6 model will be on sale in December. Personally, I'm waiting for the MPG's of the hybrid. Hope this helps.

  6. What's y alls thought on the 2019 Telluride? Buy or buy a 2020 Telluride? Or is a Sorrento a better option?

  7. Overall the palisade is a beautiful suv Hyundai is definitely stepping up, I work for Hyundai so I get to spend a lot of time with these cars but the only thing that’s a deal breaker for me is the shifter it does not have a conventional shifter it’s a button layout shifter. Now the problem with that is there is no way to put the vehicle in neutral if for some reason the battery died or if shuts off on you and say for instance you or somebody wanted to push the car you cannot, however the telluride does. But that’s just me.

  8. total BS, all the safety features in cars now make more bad drivers.peoples are depends on all these safety features, I don't want my kids to have them, they need to learn how to pay attention to driving.

  9. 10:10 "Extra couple thousand dollars" The Hyundai Palisade Limited is actually slightly cheaper than the Kia Telluride SX with Prestige package. You can buy a Telluride SX without the Prestige package to lower the price but the Palisade Limited comes standard with the things the Prestige package adds to the Telluride. I test drove both this weekend and the Hyundai IMO was a more upscale overall vehicle to me, but definitely didn't cost "thousands more" than the Telluride.

  10. I taught all 3 of our kids to drive starting from the get-go with manuals because that's all we had then (a Mazda5 and a Mazda3). It came out well enough, they are all good drivers with good records today, about 10 years later. But oddly enough, none of them have ever owned a car to this day – a PTSD response?? Joking aside, starting with a stick imposes an extra burden on the educator-parent. There are many rules of driving that we experienced drivers know instinctively, but that does not mean that we have formulated how to articulate those rules in words. Manuals, even more so. One general rule, manual or auto alike, if the car ahead is decelerating, you (the kid) must already have your foot off the gas. If you are accelerating, the car ahead should be accelerating even more, with the gap lengthening. The stick-specific rule I had to think hard to articulate: the correct moment to let off the handbrake to start on a hill is, the moment the car starts to squat because of engine torque reaction. Another surprise I had as a born gear-head myself – just because I thoroughly understood steering after about the age of 3 or 4 because of pedal-cars and then bicycles, does not mean that all other teenagers do.

  11. regarding the 15yr old question..we all beat the hell out of our 1st car..get the dude a 2012 automatic Toyota corolla to learn on, just sayin'.

  12. Was this video recorded before pricing for the Palisade? The Palisade is actually a little cheaper for the base

  13. 20:45 I have no idea why you didn't offer of the Scion/Toyota iA/Yaris Standard Toyota safety sense and a manual tranny🤷🏽‍♂️

  14. Montreal is a great place to vacation. You can't go to Montreal without eating at Schwartz's Deli. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartz%27s

  15. As far is the new driving is concert I would get the teenage Driver sometime at safe drivers school.

    This is a school where they take young adults on to a closed circuit and teach them how to handle things like overseer and understeer.

    The reason behind this is that the best place for a young driver to discover snap oversteer is in an environment where they can learn to deal with it safely. Not out on public roads where it's a pop quiz that's pass/fail and failure could cost the driver their car, or worse

    Election aids are great, and get everyone you can, but they don't replace a well trained driver. They only make the driver better.

  16. "It's harder to see out of cars"

    CR: encourage consumers to buy lighter cars that are not hard to see out of and we will all be safer.

  17. The 3 series V. G-70? The 3 series w/all wheel drive gets my vote. As far as the Hyundai and/or the Kia SUVs goes…My initial impressions are that the Palisade looks more attractive to my eyes, exterior wise so far.

  18. They didn't really answer Joshua's question. He raised an interesting point, "Would his son/daughter pay less attention or be less careful knowing that they had active safety systems to save them from a collision?".

    I think he should go for the most safety he can get for their own car, but drill it into then that active safety is no substitute for paying attention.

  19. Jon, going to Montréal, just make sure the car you take has the Metric option available on the gage cluster. You'll need KM, not Miles…

  20. We just replaced our flawless 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with the Palisade Limited FWD. The Telluride's interior is what sold us on the Palisade actually. It just felt/looked cheaper than the Hyundai to us. The fully loaded Palisade actually costs less than the Telluride, not sure why you are saying it's more. The Palisade was quieter, the digital dash, center console styling and push button reclining 3rd row were all unique to the Paliside and my wife and I saw all of these as wins for the Hyundai that we wanted. I prefer the Kia's front end but prefer the Hyundai's side and rear flanks. Frankly only Hyundai could dream up that front end but it is growing on me and not nearly as bad when you see it in person.

    Mileage blew us away. I think driver's will see 30+mpg in steady state driving using the atkinson cycle V6 for 55/65mph duty. We experienced 31mpg over 150miles and 29mpg at 65/70mph. Infinitely better than our V6 equipped Jeep that struggled to hit 23mpg. As for the blind spot cameras, my wife is 4'11" and appreciates more cameras than less. We sold a 2012 Buick Enclave after 6 months of ownership due to a giant A-pillar blind spot for my wife.

    Finally, we picked the Palisade after driving the Chevrolet Traverse, VW Atlas, Honda Pilot, a used Infiniti QX80 (who buys these for $85K new?), Subaru Ascent, Volvo XC90 and the Kia Telluride. After seeing the dash layout on the Ford Explorer, I'm glad we didn't wait. Can't think of another vehicle for $47K out the door that can beat the Palisade……no, not even the Kia.

  21. In terms of Palisade vs Telluride for me it's a matter of style, I don't like the styling of the Telluride but I love the Palisade styling, an extra $1k wouldn't deter me from getting the Palisade.

  22. I miss your shorter but lengthy reviews. This format is far too invested for YouTube. Make your vids around fifteen minutes and more on the track/ driving reviews. This format is nice and I know you splice it up for the very short segments but I would appreciate more depth towards the compact and sub compact market.

  23. I'm old school…I think someone who owns a manual as a first car is going to develop a much stronger skill set…it's not about operating a clutch, it's about having to pay more attention to whats going on around you and learning to anticipate the actions of other drivers…stuff EVERY driver should be doing but people are so isolated and oblivious in modern cars that they are lulled into a state of inattentivness…we would only rarely see these driver safety assist features activated if people were paying attention to begin with.

  24. Mike, are you sharing "Tea" with eye fluttering, eyes wandering in two different directions euphoric Jake? You are so flighty, animated, pressured speech, and dry mouth clicking. Blow blows. Isn't this program about safety?

  25. I would recommend taking a look at a Pacifica PHEV or Telluride for the last consumer question. I leased a 2018 Compass and it’s been fine reliability-wise and enjoyable to drive at about 16,000 miles in – not what you’d expect from FCA necessarily. We also have a 2020 Telluride S and it’s been fantastic so far, it’s my favorite car in the family now. It’s well rounded and like was mentioned by the CR team, you do get a lot of looks and thumbs ups in it too. I get to be around them and other competitors’ cars a lot at work and I feel Kia really did a fantastic job with the Telluride vs. the competition.

  26. Two good products, but I am still skeptical about Hyundai and Kia's quality – their engine recall campaign in Canada and the US.


  27. Having owned a 2011 Hyundai, I’m turned off by the brand completely.
    I think the Ascent is a far better choice.

  28. The Hyundai has a cheaper base price. The loaded version is about $1000 more than the Kia, but you can get it without AWD whereas you can't with the Kia.

    I find it strange that for being the same car, you guys basically ignored it by saying "its more expensive". The extra grand on the top end version gets you a leveling rear suspension and power folding rear seats.

  29. The blind spot monitor on both left and right side is a great safety feature. You guys dinged lanewatch because it only worked for one side of the car, and now when you get a truly useful system that works on both sides it's just referred to as "TV in the instrument panel".

  30. There are entire forums devoted to the problems people are having with the Kia (and I assume Hyundai). And not just squeaks and creaks, but major things like electrical failures, leaks all over the cabin, etc. I know Kia and Hyundai are supposedly at the top of the reliability rankings now but I'd still have pause.

  31. Montreal area roads are brutal. Endless construction zones. Potholes the size of trout ponds. Bone jarring expansion joints.

  32. Guys you're all wrong. You should have suggested the Volvo S60 for the roadtrip. Volvo is ALWAYS the best choice for eating miles. Is it dynamically good? No, but it's competent. It's economical(ish) it has acceptable power and after 5 mins the infotainment system is simple and easy to use.

  33. The Hyundai Palisade and Telluride starts 9:00 minutes in to this video. It is only 4 minutes long and not a lot of info! Q&A afterwards at 13:30.

  34. We're getting very close to a world where manuals don't exist. Cafe standards will soon make them nonexistent in mass market cars. So I'm not sure that teens need to learn how to shift a manual anymore.

  35. 10:09 How is the Palisade a couple of thousand dollars more than the Telluride? If you option them out the same, or as you say, "apples to apples" there is only a $200.00 difference. And you are still getting more features on the Palisade.

  36. They already made a comparison between the new 3 series and the g70. G70 still won overall. 3 series lost its identity, trying to be all you can be. Not hating bmw i have one. Just giving out facts.

  37. Can talking cars talk about the implications of buying a hybrid or electric vehicle with State legislation regarding adding registration fees to recoup lost gas taxes. I ask as I want to buy a Honda Accord hybrid, but with the added cost above a standard Accord and possible annual hybrid fee (not yet passed in Texas) that the owner may never see savings in buying a green car.

  38. Get your facts correct. Telluride is more expensive than palisade. Personally, I like palisade look compared to Telluride. I would rather buy range rover as Telluride seems a copy of that car.

  39. I have a '18 Honda Fit EX with manual transmission AND Honda sensing (adaptive cruise, lane departure, lane keep assist, brake assist/automatic emergency braking) and it's wonderful. There's definitely a market and value for manual drivers that want those safety features! These features also make driving safer and more comfortable.

  40. What a shit review and wrong about the pricing being more expensive than Telluride. Do more homework guys this was just extremely lazy.

  41. Hey Consumer Reports! Can you please explain the issue I raised below. Does CR receive special pricing that we are not aware of?

  42. I agree. Learn on auto because driving is different than it was 30 years ago when I learned to drive.

    When you learn how to play baseball, you start with T ball, not triple A ball. It's all about fundamentals.

  43. I've only written 2 car reviews in my life. One for the 2016 Z06 and now this 2020 Palisade. Most reviewers are now calling it a 2 way tie for 3 row SUV/CUV between the Palisade and the equally impressive Kia Telluride. I would add that even if we could get the Honda Pilot for $42K OTD, $5K less than the Hyundai, we'd still buy the Hyundai for ammenities, ride quality, tech package and styling. The Honda just looks like a well built appliance….because it is.

    I think between the 2 (Telluride/Palisade) the deciding factors will be:

    1) Styling interior/exterior – 100% subjective and it should be. You're the one who has to look at it everyday.
    2) Center console – You either like the Palisade's push button shifter and how this enables more efficient use of the center console, or you don't.
    3) Driver info center – Palisade is 12.3", 100% programmable and digital versus 7" digital + 2 analog, non-customizable gauges in the Kia.
    4) Push button 3rd row decline is only available in the Palisade.
    5) 20" wheels – black only on the Telluride, black chrome on the Palisade.
    6) Palisade has different rear end suspension. Makes the ride VERY compliant. Shocks are supplied by 2 different suppliers. Palisade uses Sachs/ZF and are tuned to react faster than Kia which means it can actually be both more compliant and a better handler.
    7) Palisade has more sound deadening and thicker glass. Makes for a very quiet ride, although the Telluride is not far behind.
    8) Telluride has more space (2") behind the 3rd row. Slightly different length and body lines for the Palisade surrenders the space.
    9) Palisade limited comes standard with self-leveling suspension. Telluride you need to order the trailering package.
    10) Kia has power folding mirrors. Not available on the Hyundai.
    11) Both have 630watt stereos, Kia has 10 speakers, Hyundai has 12. I couldn't tell a difference, but I'm sure some audiophile could.

    That's really it for differences between the 2. 600 miles is not enough to judge quality yet, but I can tell you that initial fit/finish in the Hyundai was better than the Kia we drove. The Kia is built in West Point, GA while the Palisade is built in Ulsan, South Korea alongside the Genesis G sedans. I won't argue that this makes the quality better in any way, just that we could see some ill-fitting interior plastic pieces on the Kia that we didn't see on our Hyundai.

    Since buying the Hyundai we made 4 changes/upgrades:

    1) $9 – We pulled the GIANT Hyundai logo off the rear of the vehicle. The intent was to leave this off entirely. Nothing against Hyundai, I just don't like giant emblems on cars, didn't care for it when Mercedes did the same thing. Unfortunately we discovered 3 rather large mounting holes. Solution was to add a more subdued, non-branded Genesis wing. (not up-branding, just trying to kill an ugly giant chrome emblem.

    2) $70 – Tinted the driver/passenger side windows with legal 25%. They're the only windows that weren't tinted on the side. It looks MUCH better and is definitely cooler.

    3) $30 – Added the OEM mud guards (4) direct from Hyundai in Korea. We added them to our Jeep Grand Cherokee as well. They definitely help, especially with 20" wheels.

    4) $39 – Added side vent shades (4), again directly from Korea. These are unfortunately 3M taped versions. Hoping that someone will design a set like WeatherTech did for the Jeep that snap in. Ours lasted 6 years on the Jeep with no fading and discoloration.

  44. There’s too many conflicting opinions about the price on the Hyundai palisade I’ve heard several reviewers say that Hyundai palisade is cheaper than a Kia telluride even at the limited trim level

  45. As far as the 3 Series is concerned (or for that matter, any BMW):
    BMW should put a depreciation gauge on the dashboard right next to the tach. It would have to be something like a calendar / odometer combo gauge, with a dollar figure overlay, so you could see how much value your new BMW is losing with every passing mile, and every passing day. This gauge would run continually in the background, so that when you get into the vehicle after a prolonged absence, it would be able to tell you exactly how much less it is worth since the last time you drove it. I would also suggest that they include a Doomsday / Sunset feature with the depreciation gauge. This feature would activate when the car has achieved Maximum Worthlessness, which can be described as the point where it would make more sense financially to have it crushed and made into a coffee table, than it would to replace the carbon ceramic brakes.

  46. Cars CR likes but does not recommend only means that at the price point they got the car, it is not recommended. However I wonder if a car is heavily discounted does that change the equation? My car listed for $52,000 but I bought it for only $38,000 – a midsize SUV from Buick. It scored fairly well in driving testing, and did very well in handling and in reliability. It was not recommended because of price and its seats which were regarded as "flat." Still I bought it and after 20,000 miles and 14 months very happy with a trouble-free performance. I suspect I will get at least 10 years and close to 200,000 with few to no problems with a proven power-train. Maybe not recommended but pretty good deal in the end.

  47. All CR likes is Toyotas and Hondas, The Ford Explorer has a hybrid model coming out soon as well as the Highlander right now. The Acura MDX and others on the higher end. They're arent tons of selection but the lady asked if she should wait on future products as well.

  48. I don't get why they hate on FCA products so much. Had a Jeep. It was great. Gas wasn't tho but I never had reliability issues…

  49. Bromantic verbiosity, lots of geeky head-nodding and cross talk before they get to the four or five pro and con bullets about the vehicle in question that I could read in thirty seconds. What percentage of my subscription pays for this cheery bloviation?

  50. Fuck you and your constant Toyota recommendations!!! How much are they paying you???
    The modern car is so reliable, that even the worst one isn't too bad. If you're testing cars, how about talking tech, practicality, materials and design. Pretty much all areas where Toyota has struggled for years now! Can't even take you sellouts seriously anymore!

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