2020 Mazda CX-30 & 2020 Hyundai Venue; Is It Smart to Buy a Used Car Online? | Talking Cars #233

2020 Mazda CX-30 & 2020 Hyundai Venue; Is It Smart to Buy a Used Car Online? | Talking Cars #233


We’ve driven the new Mazda
CX30 and Hyundai Venue. And we have our
first impressions that we’re going to
share with you today. And then we’ll
discuss whether or not it’s smart to buy
a used car, sight unseen, over the internet. Next on Talking Cars. [MUSIC PLAYING] Hey, we’re back. I’m Keith Barry. I’m Mike Quincy. I’m Gabe Shenhar. And we’re going to do
something remarkable today. We’re just going to get
right into talking cars. Imagine that. Yeah. We’re going to
talk about two cars that kind of fit in the same
category, this new category, subcompact SUVs. They’re small. They’re popular. They’re not always
all wheel drive. And we got two of them in
that are two brand new. One from Mazda, the CX30. The other from
Hyundai, the Venue. And we’re renting these from
manufacturers ahead of– Well, the Venue we bought. We rented one. And we bought one. We have experience with both. We’ve experienced them. We’re experiencing them. So what? Let’s talk about the CX30 first. Mike, can you talk a
little about the category, and how this particular
vehicle fits into it? Well, like you said, a lot of
these vehicles are smallish. They don’t have a
lot of cargo space. They’re generally
pretty good visibility. Generally good fuel economy. Some are a little bit noisy. The models that
we have that we’re going to be talking
about today both have standard four collision
warning and automatic emergency braking. So that’s kudos to those guys. Gabe, what is this car based
on in the Mazda lineup? Cause it sounds
like they’re just kind of slicing and
dicing something into smaller, and smaller,
and smaller parts here. All right. So let’s unpack that
and clean the confusion. Please. The CX30 splits the difference
between the CX3, which is really a tiny little
SUV, and the CX5, which is a regular, small SUV. And they don’t call
it the CX4 because– Exactly. Because you would think that
they should call it the CX4. That would be
completely appropriate. But there is already a CX4,
a different model in China. So they can’t call it CX4. So they called it a CX30. OK. Let’s just forget about that. OK. I already have. The CX30 is basically
a raised Mazda 3. So we recently
tested the Mazda 3. And a CX30 is really
just a lifted up Mazda 3, because people don’t buy
sedans and hatchbacks anymore. And people want SUVs,
and more and more SUVs. So it doesn’t matter
how tight the gap between these categories is. The public has just
an insatiable appetite for SUVs of any
kind in any shape. So I noticed when I got
in it, cause I actually went straight from driving
our Mazda 3 to this, that there actually was
a little more headroom. And I’m a sedan fan. And I like cars that
are lower to the ground. And I like cars for
various reasons, for aerodynamics, fuel
economy, pedestrian safety. And we’re also getting
so sick of driving SUVs. Yeah. At least I am. But honestly, I got in it. And the driving position
was really nice. I had a little more headroom. It just felt a little– I could see some of the appeal. Do you lose anything from– I mean, I felt it
wasn’t necessarily any less sporty or less
engaging than the Mazda 3. I mean, what do you think? I think the driving
characteristics are very similar. And like you, I liked
the driving position. For me, the seat
in this rented CX30 was a little short
on thigh support. And that kind of put
me off a little bit. And Gabe, I think
we’ve mentioned, we’re not really fond of a
lot of these Mazda seats. The Mazda 3, you and I also
didn’t care for the seat that much. And the model that we
rented from Mazda’s a top of the line model. And so I thought,
well, this seat doesn’t get better than
the one we’ve got here. So I’m not saying it’s
a deal breaker for me. It’s power. It’s leather. And it’s still– The support was
kind of a drawback. Well, there are four trim lines. And you have to go to
the preferred, which is the third rung in the
lineup, to get the power seat with the power lumbar support. Otherwise, you’d get a
less comfortable seat, just like the one we
had in the Mazda 3. But is this all wheel drive? It is all wheel drive, this one. You can get it as front wheel
drive or all wheel drive. And I felt that it was
very much like a Mazda 3 in terms of the
driving dynamics. And as you know, the
Mazda dialed down a bit on handling agility
with the Mazda 3. And that carries
over to the CX30. The infotainment system, they
made it more complicated, less user friendly. Well, some would say. That’s the same in
the CX3, the 30. I don’t mind it that much. I find it’s a little
harder to use with CarPlay. So what they’ve done
is they’ve basically taken the infotainment system–
there’s no touch screen. It’s all controlled
by a rotary knob. And it’s supposed to keep
your eyes on the road more. But when you have
something like CarPlay, or you have a bunch of
icons set up in a row, in order to get
one icon above, you have to scroll
through all of them. Remember T9 Word on an
old– it’s like using a non smartphone. It’s browsing the internet
without a smartphone is kind of what it feels like. Yeah. There are a lot of simple tasks
that take you three steps. And it annoys the heck out
of me that every time you’re going to scroll through
the list of radio stations, it always comes back to
the beginning of the scale. And then you have to
twirl the whole scale to down where you are. Let’s say you are on
satellite radio in 26, 27. And every time you
want to bump one up or one down, you have to go
to the beginning of the scale. How much does this car sell for? So it ranges from
$22,000 to about $30,000. So more than the Mazda 3. It’s more than the Mazda 3. And it’s more than actually
some of the competitors. I mean, there are
some competitors that are much more affordable. For instance, the
Honda HRV is on the– Yeah. It gives you a lot more
room than the CX30, and it’s less expensive. It’s not as nice
of a car to drive. Definitely not. It’s a lot noisier and stiffer. But yeah. That’s a bit of a– and that’s
been a trend with Mazda, pricing their cars a little
higher than the competition, wanting to convey a sense of,
hey, we’re a little better. Slightly premium. We’re slightly premium,
but not exactly. And some of it is justified,
because the interior is nicer than other cars. But I’m not totally sold on
the success of this strategy. And also, according to our
latest reliability survey, Mazda is doing really,
really well on reliability. So kind of like
Toyota, they’re saying, you want really
good reliability? Maybe you got to pay a
little bit more for it. I’m not saying that went into
Mazda’s pricing strategy, but we often say, you
often get what you pay for. So the interesting
thing, speaking of getting what
you pay for, when we pay for our own
one of these things, when we buy our own CX30, which
we’re going to do soon and test it, we are probably not going to
buy the same extremely high end trim level as the
one that we have. So I think our full– and I’ve found in
a lot of cars– foreshadowing– that
we’ve borrowed versions of and then driven our
own versions of, that it really
affects the driving experience how it’s contented. And I think this car,
that might be part of it. Definitely. So check out our first
drive, ConsumerReports.org on the Mazda CX30. And as soon as we buy our
own and start testing it, you’ll hear about it,
and we’ll let you know. The next car that we got. Well, SUV, hatchback. Whatever it is. Whatever it is is
the Hyundai venue. It debuted at one of the
auto shows last year. And right afterwards,
Hyundai claimed that it was sort of the
first car for Gen Z. And this car is aimed at them. But we also got
a lot of feedback from older drivers who said,
I’m looking for something that’s simple, that’s a little
higher off the ground, that’s affordable, and that
looks kind of cool. And is this right for me? And the Venue, I loved the
look of the one that we got. What is it? What is this car? Well, it’s kind of like
an Accent hatchback. No all wheel drive. It’s small. It’s stylish. It’s affordable. It starts around $17,000. It starts with a stick shift. That’s unusual all in itself. That no one will buy. Yeah. That no one will buy. Exactly. Yeah. But like you said before when
we were talking about the Mazda. The manufacturers keep slicing
and dicing these SUV segments into finer and finer parts. And on the surface, it
kind of makes sense. I mean, you talk about an older
driver wanting a car that’s easier to get in and out of. I mean, the Venue
definitely fits that. It’s small. Yeah. It’s really small. Not only is it
smaller than a Kona. It’s smaller than the EcoSport. It’s around the same size
as a Mazda MX5 Miata. It’s a little bigger
than a Fiat 500. I mean, this is a small car. Right. This is very short. And it doesn’t look like that. And inside the car, it
doesn’t feel like that. I think Hyundai did a really
good job with the design. There’s sort of a
deep luggage well. In the back seat,
there’s actually a decent amount of room. Up front, it has this really– A lot of glass area. Great visibility. Easy to see out of. Yeah. Great visibility. Sure. And the design wise too. So here’s where things
get a little interesting. So there are three
versions of this car. The top level trim is
something called the denim. That only 3% of people
will probably buy that. Yeah. It’s the one that’s in
all the commercials. It’s the one that
was at the auto show. It was the one that
we rented from them. On the upholstery it has
these interesting accents. It has this blue sort
of plastic interior. It looks really cool. They put a lot of effort into a
car that costs around $21,000. Yeah. They really managed to
mask the fact that this is a really basic budget car. Oh, yeah. And then we went out
and bought our own. Right. And we bought our
own SCL, which is not that less expensive than this. It has smaller wheels. They look kind of goofy
in the wheel wells. Mhm. Don’t you like that lime green? Yeah. It doesn’t have the
two tone color on it. It’s like a Kermit car. Yeah. It looks cheaper. It doesn’t have that
cool feeling to it. Yeah. So this is one of those
cases where sort of buyer beware when it determines
by the trim level. Because this card that
when I first saw it, I said this looks awesome. Right. It’s almost like you
want a Neil Diamond reference, because you’re
better in blue jeans. Something forever. Yeah. Something like that. But driving it, I mean, hey,
I drove it the other night. The 1.6 liter four cylinder CVT. Around town it felt OK. Kind of light on its feet. But merging on the highway, man,
this power train just howled. Yeah. I thought, aw, this is– It did it, but it
didn’t like it. I would not want this
on a long road trip. Well, it’s a subcompact car. It needs to be viewed that way. It needs to be compared to a
Hyundai Accent or a Honda Fit. And it suffers from
the same endemic things that this whole
class suffers from. And it’s slow
acceleration, noisy engine, uncomfortable seat. I mean, what bugs
me most in the Venue is that the seatbelt anchor
doesn’t adjust for height. So it tends to chafe
me at the neck. There’s a lot of wind noise. And you feel a lot of– Gabe’s right. It’s like all these cars that
get kind of on the lower price scale. They take away some of
the features that we have in so many other vehicles. And all of a sudden you realize
how much you’re missing it. Mhm. Exactly. But you’re right. Inside it doesn’t
feel like it’s tiny. And you and I parked
it next to the Kona. Yeah. And despite Hyundai chopping
off a foot in the front and a foot in the back, the
interior, the living space, the front and the rear
seating is pretty comparable. Yeah. I’m really impressed by that. It feels a lot larger inside
than it looks on the outside. And compared to the controls of
the Mazda, the Venue’s is much, much, easier. Oh, yeah. I mean, everything in that car
is incredibly straightforward. If you’ve been driving for
five months or 50 years you’re going to be
able to understand it. [INAUDIBLE] infotainment systems
are easy to use, easy to learn. Yep. So I’m excited to see how
this actually stacks up when we actually put it
through our full tests, because it seems like it could
be a very interesting contender for folks who are looking
for either that first car, or for a car if
they’re downsizing. Or it’s a nice car on a
budget is what it looks like. Front wheel drive only. Front wheel drive only. It’s going to appeal
to the same people that are drawn to the Kia
Soul and Nissan Kicks. And the old, if you
remember the Scion XB. I was just thinking of Scion. What about the Kia Rondo? We’re going to go way back. Wow. That’s a history lesson here. Mazda Fi– no. Alphabet soup here. Yeah. So, again, consumerreports.org
when we have our full test. You can read our first
impressions right now. But when we have our full
test with 0 to 60 times, and when you put it through
our handling circuit, and all that fun stuff, you can read
how this subcompact car does. So moving on, we’ve got three
video questions this week. So keep them coming. Send them to
[email protected] We love video questions. They give us a break. And some of them
actually this week have some pretty good
production values. I’m pretty impressed. I’m very impressed. So let’s go to our first one. It’s from James. And we’re going to
see what it’s about. Well, first of all,
I love the podcast. I listen to it in my car,
a bright yellow, Kia Soul. I absolutely love it. But sometimes you think
about your next car. And I keep seeing these
advertisements for Carvana. And I was wondering what
you guys thought about it. Because to me, I mean, I
would never get a new car without test driving it first,
and going in and talking to the dealer about it,
and all that kind of stuff. So it seems a little
weird that this company exists that you can just click
and just buy a car online. That seems wrong to me almost. So yeah. Just wondering what you thought? And yeah. Keep up the good work. All right. So we’ve seen a lot of these
programs, where essentially you can go online, and
you can order a car. There’s a reason they
don’t exist with new cars. And that’s because the
sort of dealer lobbies have made it so the state
legislatures don’t allow for direct to consumer
sales of new vehicles from a manufacturer. Except for Tesla. Yeah. So there’s some
gray areas there. But when it comes
to Carvana, Vroom– there are some other
services out there. You basically go online,
find a car, click, and then the car shows up. And then what? You don’t test drive it? Apparently. But they also have
vending machines. They have these
big buildings where they’ve got the car
stacked up like candy bars. And you go. And you pick one. And it comes down and whatnot,
which is kind of clever. It’s cool. Yeah. It’s a little gimmicky. But so Carvana is
saying that all the cars that they’re selling, they
pass a 150 point inspection, never been in an
accident, no frame damage. Every car has a 100 day four– I don’t know how
they come up with it. It’s a 4,189 mile worry free
guarantee and a seven day money back guarantee. And this isn’t necessarily
a knock on Carvana. I mean, a lot of
services will have these money back guarantees with
buying cars at lot of dealers. The interesting thing about
this is that they also have, about Carvana,
Vroom, others, is that they have a fixed price. So you don’t even
have to negotiate. You don’t have to
walk into the dealer. You don’t have to argue
over the price with someone. And you like that
for some reason. Of course. Yeah. It’s a sport. It’s a game. It’s a challenge. I know. And we do recommend
that everyone advocate for themselves. Because when you get in there– I’m with James. I like to see, to
feel, to touch, to smell the car I’m buying. And definitely drive it and
not buy it sight unseen. The negotiation
also, I mean, I don’t think it’s unethical or
immoral if you negotiate the price, which the dealers
make a certain amount of profit there. You shouldn’t worry about that. And if in 15 minutes
of the conversation you knock off $1,000, $1,500
off the price of the car, it’s a pretty good return
on your investment. Yeah. I had a friend who
used to sell cars. And he told me when he
bought cars, he’d say, I want you to make money, but
not a lot and not off of me. That’s a good line. Remember that. But you’re kind of, with the
no haggle, as at all no haggle dealerships, that’s because
the haggle is sort of built into the price. Right. You’re paying for
the convenience of not having to go in there
and advocate for yourself, and wait for the person
to go see the manager, and drink the bad coffee, and
make the silly small talk. I find that very tiresome. Usually when I’m buying a car
for the ConsumerReports test program– and we’re not
buying used cars obviously. We’re buying new cars. But I know what the
car sticker price is. And I have a general idea
of the dealer’s cost. And I say, there’s a
number in between your cost and the sticker. And if you give me that we’ll
have a deposit in your hand before you know it. Because I don’t want to go back
and forth and back and forth. You’ll be surprised
how easy it is to knock off $2,000 off the
price of a car, over the phone even. And you’re not only
losing that when you’re using a no haggle service. You’re also losing the ability
to have the car inspected before you buy it. Right. And that’s what’s
real important. I’ve bought used
cars myself that have come with clean Carfax,
come with certified preowned from a dealer. Make sure you take it to
a mechanic that you trust. That’s what I did. You put it on the lift. You do even a compression test. And go over the whole car. And it turned out that
some of these vehicles had problems that
didn’t show up. And none of these were
from Carvana or Vroom. But I mean, that’s
the nice thing about that seven day return. If I were to use this, if I
were to weigh the pros and cons, if I were to use Carvana,
within the first 400 miles I’d bring it, get it inspected,
and do all those things that you said. And we have a lot of stuff
about buying a used car online. You can follow
exactly what you need to ask your mechanic to do. Consumerreports.org. So essentially,
it’s interesting. It’s an interesting
way of buying a car. Next question from Chris. Hey, Talking Cars. I’m interested in your
opinion of the 2016 e-Golf. I was able to find
a lot of information on your website about
the Gulf in general, but nothing about the e-Golf. It seems to me that the
only drawback to the e-Golf is the range. Since I work from home, and
I also just do daycare pickup and drop off about a
mile from my house, I don’t think that would
be a big issue for me, especially since we
have a 2018 Volkswagen Tiguan in our driveway as well. Do you have any opinions
about the e-Golf or have you driven it? Now, Gabe, we had an e-Golf. Right? So what is it? We rented an e-Golf, an electric
Volkswagen Golf from Volkswagen when it first came
out in 2015 I think. Yeah. And back then it had a pretty
puny range of 94 miles. And certainly puny
by today’s standards. Recently Volkswagen
increased the battery size and increased the
range to 125 miles. A little more palatable. But still not competitive. It’s not 300. Right. Yep. But the car itself
is a nice car. I mean, it’s a
fully fledged car. It’s not a conversion
of an electric car. It was designed
from the beginning to be an electric car also. It’s just as nice
as the regular. It’s even nicer than
the regular Golf because there’s no engine noise
and acceleration is immediate. It’s practical. All the practicality of a Golf. It’s practical. It’s nice. I mean, compared to a Chevy
Bolt or a Nissan LEAF, I mean, it feels like a luxury car. So buying a used EV in general. Well, right. I mean, my question
to the question is why only stick to
the Volkswagen brand? We have an excellent article
on ConsumerReports.org about buying used EVs. The market is ripe for used EVs. For example, there are
three-year-old Nissan LEAFs to be had for about $10,000,
compared to the $30,000 to $36,000 sticker price. Huge depreciation on
some of these labels. We learned about that
depreciation the hard way, because we lost our shirt
on all the Leafs we tested. Right. So if you’re interested in
getting an EV, a used EV, I would look beyond
the Volkswagen brand. Because you’re saying, these
are really hard to find. Well, they didn’t sell
very many of them. It sounds kind of
like he’s a VW guy. Right. I get that. It sounds like maybe there’s
sort of an affinity here. But people that are just
so brand loyal, to me, they seem to limit
their choices so much. Yeah. If you’re just looking for
a runabout, and a bicycle isn’t going to do it for
your one mile commute. If you’re just looking for
something small like that, I mean, there are a lot of
inexpensive used EVs out there. An interesting thing,
one of the reasons why there is a
scarcity of these, he asked about why there are
so many older ones versus newer ones, in later years
Volkswagen sent a lot of these to Europe,
and to markets where there was a greater demand for
it, or greater government incentives for them. So not as many of these were
sold in the US in later years. There wasn’t some
issue with them or something necessarily wrong. It just had to do
with what markets demanded in different
places in the world. And also, a lot of
these were leased. A lot of EVs get leased,
because you can roll in the tax incentives upfront. And you get a lower
lease payment. So those 2018s are just
coming off lease now. If I were him, and the
range is no problem, I’d be perfectly
happy with the e-Golf. Yeah. You can get a really
good deal on it too. Yeah. If you buy one for $10,000,
$12,000, that’s pretty good. That’s kind of cool. Yeah. Why not? Why not? All right. One last video
question from Daniel. Hi, Talking Cars. My name’s Daniel. Big fan of the show. I have a 2016 Mazda 6,
which I absolutely love. And we got it used. And it came with
Kenda Vezda UHP tires on the front, and the
stock Dunlop Sport 5,000 tires on the rear. The Dunlop tires are in much
worse shape than the Kenda ones, and they’re
on their last legs. Once I need to replace
the Dunlop tires, should I get two more
of the Kenda tires, but then just rotate them, cause
obviously the new tires should be on the front on a
front wheel drive car, or should I get four tires that
are completely different brand? So we checked in
with Gene Peterson and Ryan Pszczolkowski, our
tire experts on this one. And we came back. The answer to Daniel’s
question, which is a really good one, and
really great production values, by the way, seriously, it
depends on how much money that you want to spend. The good news is that
good tires for this car are under $100 each. And you can find them
using our Tire Selector at ConsumerReports.org. But Mike, what’s the
least expensive way? Is that just only swapping
out those Dunlops? Well, yeah. I would just stick with what
Gene Peterson and Ryan said. I mean, I would get four new
tires and just start fresh. Otherwise you’re constantly
on this treadmill of always swapping
out a set if you’re sticking with the Kendas. Which is a brand that we don’t
have any information on really. Never even heard of it. And we’ve talked before
about buying used cars. And this is maybe one of the
downsides of buying used cars. Or as you’re going to buy a used
car to really carefully inspect it. Cause this person
bought the Mazda 6 with two different
brands of tires, which is a total no, no as
far as Consumer Reports goes. You don’t want to have different
branded tires on your car front and rear. So when you go to
inspect a used car, I would definitely
check all four tires. One notion that’s built
into his question, though, is that he wants
to put the new tires on the front axle. And no matter what, if you
have two new tires only, you put them on the rear axle. Even if it’s a front
wheel drive car? Even if it’s a front
wheel drive car. And the reason is because
if worse comes to worst, you get understeer,
which is easier to control than an overseer you
might get with worn out tires in wet conditions,
and on the rear axle. So the good solution is you go
and get the same exact tires, the Kenda Vezdas And you put
the newer ones on the rear. The better solution, the
much better solution, is that you maybe spend– All new four tires. And the thing is,
you’re already spending the money on alignment. You’re already spending
money on balancing. You’re going to pay
for that anyway. So you might as well spend
the extra $200 or so, and just put all four
new tires on the car, and get some good ones. Find them with
our Tire Selector. So thanks for sending
that question in. Our last question comes
from Gaston from Canada. We love questions from Canada. We get so many
questions from Canada. And Gaston asks, I parked
my summer time fun car in an unheated garage for winter
storage from November to April. Do you recommend periodically
starting the engine? If so, how often? That’s a good question. Yeah. Yeah. I’d say start it
up, and even take it for a drive around the
block once in two weeks. Get it up to
running temperature. Get the rust off
the brake rotors. And get everything
up and running. As far as the
battery is concerned, I would attach the car
to a battery maintainer. Otherwise known as the battery
tender, trickle charger. Yeah. It’s not trickle charging. It monitors the battery level. And when it drops
below a certain level, it only then charges it. Mm. And if he can, and it’s
in the unheated garage, it might also not have power. Well, right. And he also said
it’s from Canada. If it’s a rear wheel drive car
with high performance summer tires, you might not
be able to take it around the block for a spin. But at least, start it up,
back it out of the garage, and just at least let it sit,
and get it up to temperatures. There’s another good
reason to do that. And that’s especially if
it’s an unheated garage, and the car is there, it might
be a nice place for wildlife to make a home and a
nest in the winter. And I’ve seen that
actually happen, where I’ve gone to go look at a car. It was a beautiful W110 Benz. And the guy started it up. Hadn’t been started all winter. And all of a sudden a
little trickle of smoke comes out from under the engine. And there was a little
nest in there, the remains of a nest that caught fire. So you don’t want
that to happen. And things can chew on belts
and chew through wires. Well, rodents can be
in the garage as well. Exactly. And I think our
recommendation is if you’re going to store a car
in the garage for a long time, keep the hood open, because
light will discourage rodents from coming in. Interesting. Interesting. So there’s some news
for you if you’re going keep that summer
time fun car parked away. If you have questions for
us, [email protected] to see the show notes. They’re right there. Check them out. And head to
consumerreports.org and you’ll learn everything you need
to know about what we know so far, about the Venue, the
CX30 tires, and everything else we talked about. So thanks for talking
about cars with us today. [ENGINE REVVING]

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56 Comments

  1. Mazda seriously needs to upgrade their infotainment system. It’s really outdated. The underlying GUI sucks! There’s nothing to like about it.

  2. I like that Mazda cx30 but would prefer the larger cx5. However the infotainment screen seems a little behind the times…

  3. I had to laugh at "buying sight unseen" meaning buying from Vroom or Carvana. Buying off of craigslist/ebay says "hold my beer!"

  4. The eGolf is not a ground up electric car, it's a converted gas car. The egolf replacement is the ID3 which we are not getting in the US. The ID3 is a ground up electric.

  5. I have bought four cars from carvana and only had issues with one of them and they fixed everything for free and haven’t had issues since. I highly highly recommend using them

  6. I don't think Gabe really understands Mazda's strategy. Mazda knows that their cars are never going to sell in the volume of Toyota/Honda. With that said, the goal should still be to grow and Mazda knows that catering purely to enthusiasts doesn't sell cars. Average Sally isn't going to give a shit about slightly better driving dynamics, but will notice a nicer interior, quietness, and ride. From articles online interviewing with Mazda execs, it seems that Mazda also knows that average buyer in a Mazda dealership is also someone who is more willing to pay more for a car they actually like. Mazda isn't going to win the race to the bottom/price/cheap-appliance/volume game and has found their niche instead.

  7. Gabe’s reminder about the danger of putting much more worn tires on the rear and new ones on the front can in deed result in oversteer. Ask me how I know. Luckily, I caught it thanks to practice on RWD platforms. Really just dumb luck that I had been practicing car control.

  8. Why do they keep Keith Barry on this program? I can't believe he doesn't know the difference between a trickle charger and a battery tender. And he is the Auto Editor for CR? How good can his advice be? At least he did not bombard us with his condescending worldviews on this episode.

  9. Respectfully, Barry can use some presentation skills. Table banging and excessive use of hand gesturing gets annoying. Other than that, another great episode.

  10. Gabe thank you very much for that tip of keeping the hood open when leaving a car parked for a long period of time in the garage!

  11. I've recently driven a few Audi (A5, Q5) and Mercedes (CLA250, C300, E350) models that are very similar to the Mazda non-touch screen and you only use the center dial.

    I think Mazda, going for the premium segment, was looking to make that experience more familiar to the luxury segment buyer.

    But I do prefer the Genesis systems that allow for both touch and scroll dial/wheel.
    The new German cars are going this direction too (or just a touch screen).

  12. Two concerns. I can't seem to justify the pricing.. I might as well stick with a base cx5 or alternatively a lower priced sub compact. Second.. Mexican built for perceived quality. Idk.

  13. those two older dudes dudes complain about lack of thigh support and infotainment in Cx30, it's like they forgot this is a sub 30k car… Why does everyone expect Mazda to be like a BMW and Audi at half the price lol

  14. hey why didnt y’all mention that the cx30 has class-leading standard (or even optionally available) horsepower, and, an available power hatch…. or, cylinder deactivation on top-trim AWD model…?…

  15. It is never wise to buy a car sight unseen via internet or any other means. Pay for a shop near the location of the vehicle to inspect the vehicle before you buy if you don't know what to look for yourself. With Carvana or similar who give you a short term money back guarantee, you can buy, get it inspected and return it if needed.

    You should give a new car a thorough once over before signing the papers.

  16. The CX5's unsupportive seats were a deal breaker for me when they first came on the market. Sounds like Mazda hasn't improved in this area.

  17. Terrible idea to start the car up every few weeks. Change the oil and put a battery tender on it and leave it alone. Check on it every few weeks to stop any critters. Only a fool would drive a car around the block in ice, snow and salt. Perfect way to ruin the car if you follow CR's advice.

  18. key point with carvana at least is you do test drive it before you"buy it" aka sign the paperwork….if you have it delivered to your residence they literally take it of the carrier and you go take it for a test drive for 30 min or so… then your sign the paperwork to accept or refuse it then you have the additional days/miles to determine if you really want it….. same thing with the "vending machine" "lot " locations….. you go there and have an appointment and they bring the car to you from the vending machine and you inspect it, test drive it, and again decide to finish paperwork and take it or refuse it……they just eliminate the typical sales people, dealer BS and overhead…. for used cars I personally think its a cool idea. I'm 42 and currently on my 20th vehicle…I love cars and change my mind and buy often. It's something I dread/anticipate due loving the fun of getting a new car but HATE car dealers. It's an inconvenience and PITA to deal with dealerships.BUT that's just my little insignificant opinion… Love the show as always!

  19. The guys seemed to be trying to figure out what the Venue equivalent is. The Venue is a Soul. Hyundai and Kia are corporate cousins, so it was only a matter of time until Hyundai got their version. Kia is getting their version of the Kona soon as well, the Seltos.

  20. Wrong!
    Always put the new tire on the Front!

    If you have a tire blowout at freeway speed or going down a mountain, you need to maintain steering; otherwise it is easier to loose control and go off the cliff!

    I had a rear tire blowout on my ML350 SUV; it was so scary! Thank god it was the rear tire.

    (Another misconception; when going down mountain, always downshift (use the engine to slow down car).
    Do Not rely on brakes only!)

  21. Comment 1 – if you don't like seats in Mazda, then where do you like them? Subaru? Well, Outback has 1.5 inches less on thigh support than Mazda6 front seats

  22. Comment 2 – CX30 is not raised Mazda3. It shares only powertain. But no other parts. You not sold on Mazda strategy??? — look at Crosstrek. This mazda is really, a really really good Crosstrek

  23. Comment 3 – Hyundai went where Mazda couldn't make – CX3. Cramped. Cramped is un-American. Will not make it through 3 model years

  24. Comment 4 – buying without seeing. Total crap shoot. At least, you can look into history report, this is only good about it. But even then, it is not guarantee that history reported correctly. In fact, most of used cars bought from a dealer are total crap shoot. Dealers buy them at auctions, they have no idea who drove them, how they were maintained. I would rather buy 5 yo car from the private owner. This means, it was long game for the owner and he/she took care of the car. Also, right now absolute disaster times to buy a used cars. Just the people who owns cars now are different people from car owners 30 years back. People used to take care of their cars. These days car is a commodity. This is why it is better get a great discount on a new car.

    I bought on ebay once and it was everything that it could be. Bought car with no see, although asked owner prior – car was described as great. Came there, 1.5 hour drive away; car wasn't as described but not very bad, few things were off, owner gave me $300 back to cover for stuff. Later I discovered that car was in some accident because I found that few body parts were repainted and saw more signs. Carfax was clean!!. Car was 5 years ols/75K miles. Now it is 10 years old and 15oK miles with only one minor problem worth $67. So, in the end, it worked out well. However, should I notice signs of the accident at the purchase time, I would argue out of purchase. Important is that car was driven on highway where wear is minimal.

    If the place is "non-negotiating" kind – walk away. One can always negotiate a better deal that these fixed price people will give you. They buy these cars at the auction thousands less than they sell it, 4-5K less for sure (most of cars). There is plenty of room for negotiation.

  25. "VW guy" VW have nothing extraordinary… but if VW interiors are you standard, a LEAF will make you miserable. At least Volt, ZoE have fun interiors, LEAF is ugly, hard plastics, feels like a cheap car wich it's not.

  26. 2 diff strategies here by Hyundai and Mazda…Venue aims to capture that younger demographic looking for their first vehicle in the entry level CUV market hence cheaper starting price point and only FWD (going after Nissan Kicks as example) – Mazda on the other hand going after those buyers who find CX3 too small but didn’t want the size of the CX5 as a bit large for them. Also going after those customers who value styling but didn’t want a compact sedan anymore instead looking into a CUV instead and willing to pay a bit more…

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