Hilariously Cheap 12-Cylinder Beater Cars — /ROAD TESTAMENT

Hilariously Cheap 12-Cylinder Beater Cars — /ROAD TESTAMENT


ALEX ROY: This week on the “Road
Testament,” Matt Farah and I discuss 12
cylinder cars. Can a used 12 cylinder be as
good as, or maybe a better value than a really good
you used 4 cylinder? I have no idea. Farah, you’re going
to tell us. MATT FARAH: Yeah. ALEX ROY: This week. [THEME MUSIC] MATT FARAH: Indian food is
probably the most complex food to cook in terms of the sheer
number of ingredients. ALEX ROY: Not as complex as
hanging out with me after I eat it, my body rich with
faraway spices. Were do you follow our show? MATT FARAH: I don’t know,
@Drive on Twitter, facebook.com/drivetv,
and follow me @TheSmokingTire on Twitter. V12s. ALEX ROY: Can a V12, used,
possibly be a better value than a really great
used 4 cylinder. MATT FARAH: Possibly,
but it depends on which V12, of course. ALEX ROY: You own a V– I’ve never owned a V12. You own one. What is it? MATT FARAH: It is an Aston
Martin Vanquish. ALEX ROY: OK, besides the fact
that it looks amazing– MATT FARAH: It looks amazing. ALEX ROY: Explain to me the aura
and majesty and why V12– MATT FARAH: Well, was it Jeremy
Clarkson who said everyone should own
a V12 super car? Who said that? Someone said at some point,
everyone should own a V12 car. And I see where they’re coming
from, because the 12 cylinder engine is beautiful in
the way it revs. It’s perfectly smooth. It’s a balanced engine, so you
get basically no vibration whatsoever from the engine. But you get this amazing sound
that is very unique. They don’t sound like
anything else. It’s this even hum, that is
like [ROARING SOUND]. ALEX ROY: They also cost 40%
to 50% more than the 8 cylinder version of any car. MATT FARAH: Exactly. ALEX ROY: And in my life I have
never ever heard of any V12 car ever being reliable
over time. MATT FARAH: My car, the engine
itself is very reliable. It has never ever broken
in any way. ALEX ROY: Because Ford
probably owned Aston at the time. MATT FARAH: Yeah, and it’s
literally two Ford V6s stuck together at the crank. So it’s two 3 liter Ford
Duratech V6s which make a 6 liter V12. ALEX ROY: So we’ve got a list
of really great used 4 cylinder cars, and some
not so great. And– MATT FARAH: Some interesting
V12 cars. ALEX ROY: Some interesting
used V12s which are hilariously cheap. And we’re going to discuss why,
and which one might even possibly be a good value. MATT FARAH: There are
some gems in there, like this right here. So this is the car that
came before my car. This is the DB7 Vantage. So when this car first came out,
it had a supercharged 6 cylinder engine in it, which was
not a terrible engine, but it only made it like
330 horsepower. Then in the early 2000s, the
Vantage model, they put the first version of the V12 I have
in it, so the six liter V12 in this car it made
620 horsepower. And you can pick these up with
relatively low mileage in good shape for about $40,000. ALEX ROY: Reliability
in this car. [LAUGHTER] ALEX ROY: Well if I recall
correctly, this was the era of the really crap interior. MATT FARAH: Not as crap
as you’d think. This is the era where the
interior looked almost identical to a Jaguar XK. ALEX ROY: This to me seems
like the dark times of– MATT FARAH: No, middle
’90s was absolutely– before this car, the last Astons
before this car, the boxy Virage. ALEX ROY: I like the
boxy Virage. MATT FARAH: I like them
in a weird way. I like the earlier versions. But these are nice. ALEX ROY: When I look at this
car, you know what I see? I see a newer Aston that’s
been in a fire and slightly melted. It just seems shapeless to me. MATT FARAH: Well Aston’s
design structure, their philosophy is on rules of
thirds, like the height of this window versus its
relationship to the ground, the length of the greenhouse
versus– they have all these formulas. So that’s why all modern Astons
kind of look the same, is because of that. But as far as an exotic car, 12
cylinder car, compared to– believe it or not– compared to
a Ferrari 575 or something, this is rather cheap to
maintain and own. ALEX ROY: Interesting. MATT FARAH: But It’s just the
little bits, like when my parking brake cable broke on
my car, it was $2,500. ALEX ROY: Of course. You know something, I don’t
care if it’s a good value. This is just– MATT FARAH: Doesn’t
do it for you? ALEX ROY: I don’t– I’m not– MATT FARAH: I think
it’s a good value in terms of 12 cylinders. The next car– ALEX ROY: Before we go on, by
the way– that Aston, when’s the last time you saw one
of those on the road? MATT FARAH: I saw
one recently. ALEX ROY: You never see them
because they’re just not sexy. This car has its place in my
heart because in 2004, I drove one on a rally. It was a 2004 CL600 that
one year they did a twin turbo option. And it was unbelievably quick. And the power– it was
an amazing car. MATT FARAH: Well
this is the 65. This one’s even faster. So this car was about
$190,000 new. ALEX ROY: [LAUGHS] MATT FARAH: This is 600
horsepower and 738 pound feet of torque. ALEX ROY: The one I drove did
over 200 miles an hour. MATT FARAH: Yeah. This one is a 200 mile an
hour car legitimately. And it has all kind of
neat stuff like air suspension, and Mercedes– it’s got good seats in it. But these things– ALEX ROY: You could get one
of these for $20,000. MATT FARAH: The 65 is
probably 30 for the nicest one you can find. The problem with these, of
course, is out of warranty maintenance is terrifying
on a car like this. And people actually email
me a lot, and say Matt, I found this 65. I can get all this horsepower
for no money. I could be driving a Mercedes. God forbid anything breaks
on one of these. ALEX ROY: Think about Lincoln
Boulevard in LA. Every dealership, these
are lined up. Literally it’s like
$21,995, $23,995. And you can’t give these cars
away because if it breaks, you might as well just
throw it away. MATT FARAH: If a turbo goes
on this car, it’s totaled. If the air suspension
goes, it’s totaled. ALEX ROY: I would love to– I also love the look of
this particular car– MATT FARAH: Oh, it’s
a great car. ALEX ROY: –and for $20,000,
even for $30,000. MATT FARAH: Yeah. ALEX ROY: But I don’t think
it’s [INAUDIBLE]. MATT FARAH: And they put this
engine in the sedan, the S-Class in this and in the SL. And they’re all stupid cheap. ALEX ROY: But you know
something, you never see these actually driving around
under their own power. You see them on used car
lots all the time– MATT FARAH: In used lots on rims
with something ending in $995 on them. ALEX ROY: And it’s this or a
little row of Range Rovers. MATT FARAH: Yeah, all
on rims, of course. So instead of spending $30,000
to 40,000 on one of these, you could [INAUDIBLE] get this– four cylinder supercharged
Lotus Exige S260. ALEX ROY: $35 MATT FARAH: Probably about $40
to $45 for a used one, which is a lot for a 4 cylinder car
with basically no interior, but Toyota engine– ALEX ROY: Bulletproof. MATT FARAH: Bulletproof. There’s nothing in this
car to break even though it is British. They’re actually pretty
reliable. ALEX ROY: I was kind of hoping
we would come up with a 4 cylinder car that actually was
comfortable in the way that 12 cylinder cars are. I’m sure this is a great car. MATT FARAH: But it’s
hard to find– I mean, we were trying to find
four cylinder– it is hard to find expensive 4
cylinder cars. And obviously, a Lotus Exige
S260 is not a Mercedes or an Aston Martin, but
if you want a– ALEX ROY: But it’s
more exclusive. MATT FARAH: –quick
sports car. ALEX ROY: Nobody has one. MATT FARAH: They are
relatively rare. They’re fun to drive. ALEX ROY: And they will last. MATT FARAH: They will last. And maintenance is not so
bad on them actually. ALEX ROY: Cool, but
it’s not for me. MATT FARAH: Not my style. ALEX ROY: Me neither. MATT FARAH: But I’m not buying
a V12 twin turbo Mercedes that’s seven year old either. ALEX ROY: What’s next? MATT FARAH: What do
we got next here? ALEX ROY: All right, this– now you’re talking. Because I think the 8-Series
is the last awesomely beautiful aggro shark nose BMW
design language up the wazoo– I own an ’88 M6, which never
runs, even though it’s not– even though it’s a 6 cylinder. But this thing, I remember in
college when these things would go around, and
I wanted one so bad MATT FARAH: I love these cars. I guy I know has an 850 csi
with a stick and it is– ALEX ROY: Really? MATT FARAH: –brilliant. ALEX ROY: Wow. MATT FARAH: And his is the
nicest one I’ve ever seen. And it’s probably a $25,000 or
$30,000 car, but you can get these things cheap cheap. ALEX ROY: Actually I saw
one for about $8,000. MATT FARAH: But what is lurking
under the hood– what is it, a 360-ish
horsepower, V12, I believe, maybe 380. ALEX ROY: The thing is, of
course, if you’re going to look at 12 cylinder engines from
German manufacturers, as unreliable as Mercedes engines
are, it is a universal fact. If you don’t believe in the
Newtonian theory of gravity, you have not owned a
BMW 12 cylinder car and seen the deprecia– it literally, the car drops an
inch as son as you drive it off the lot. MATT FARAH: They’re
really bad. But these are great cars. And for $10,000 You buy one and
you put an LS motor in and call it a day. ALEX ROY: Actually, you
know something? That’s a great idea. MATT FARAH: Yeah, an LS– you know, if it fits a V12, it
will fit an LS motor, and you’ll have a sweet looking
BMW that actually runs. ALEX ROY: You know something,
for under $10, actually this might be an OK buy. MATT FARAH: Yeah. It would be cheap. And then we have another
cheapie– this guy. You know what’s funny
about the– ALEX ROY: The Sacco-designed
S-class. MATT FARAH: –S600? These things were
the tank tanks. ALEX ROY: Looking, but the
real tank tanks was the predecessor to this. MATT FARAH: Oh yeah, like the
“Coming to America” ones. ALEX ROY: Right, but they
didn’t make a 12 of that, did they? MATT FARAH: They did not. A V8 was the biggest
you could get. This one, you could get the 12,
and it was also about 360 horsepower. And you know what’s funny is– ALEX ROY: You never see these
rolling around, ever. MATT FARAH: No. The only one that I ever see, I
have a friend who house sits for Madonna. And she has one. ALEX ROY: Still? MATT FARAH: Still has
one, and still– ALEX ROY: 12 cylinder? MATT FARAH: Yes, it’s a 600
and she still gets driven around in it. ALEX ROY: Can you imagine
what the dealer-supplied fourth-party extended
maintenance plan must be on this things? It must be more than the lease
payments for a 14-month lease. MATT FARAH: Yeah. These are so stupid cheap, I
mean $6,000, $5,000 you’re buying one of these
things for. Someone actually, I think,
brought one to a lemons race recently, because it was
like un-sellable. ALEX ROY: It was a
guy who actually brought an SL, I think. And they docked him 3,000
penalty laps. MATT FARAH: Oh, it was the
long wheelbase, the SEL. ALEX ROY: They gave him like
3,000 penalty laps. But if you think about it,
actually, given the cost of these cars, there should be
like above lemons, like, a race series just for 12 cylinder
cars under $10,000. Because clearly, there’s
a bunch of them. MATT FARAH: And they can just
is set up dealerships on the side of the racetrack
and do it. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere
near this car. ALEX ROY: This might be a
better value than the 8-series, although
the 8-series is sexy and this is not. MATT FARAH: No, because the
8-series has some collector value, a little bit. This has none. This is now a taxicab
in the Sudan. ALEX ROY: Yes it is. MATT FARAH: Or, of course,
the coupe version. ALEX ROY: This was really the
worst of the Mercedes two doors ever. And in the V12, you had
to be like a full masochist, like [BLEEP] down blind. MATT FARAH: It’s Russian
gangster– ALEX ROY: The worst. I don’t care if this was– for $2,000, I wouldn’t
drive this. MATT FARAH: Yeah, but the next
car is of course your other option, 4 cylinder, you could
spend a lot more money on a used Fisker Karma, equally
masochistic. ALEX ROY: Is this the
most expensive 4 cylinder car ever sold? MATT FARAH: I believe this to
be the most expensive 4 cylinder car ever sold. Now I know it’s a hybrid and
it’s electric drive– ALEX ROY: It’s 4 cylinder. MATT FARAH: But it is a 4
cylinder engine under there. And new, $110,000– we’re
finding them used on eBay for $75,000 to $90,000. ALEX ROY: I mean I love
the looks of this car. We’ve discussed it many times. MATT FARAH: But you also
have to hate yourself to own one of these. Because if they’re not
catching on fire, or breaking, they’re– I’m going to say it. They’re not very good. ALEX ROY: In five years– if Fisker’s still in business
in five years– and I don’t think they will be– but if
whatever happens, you could pick up a Fisker in a couple
years for under 20, say? MATT FARAH: Totally. ALEX ROY: And throw in
a Corvette motor like your buddy did. You’d have the best
sedan of all time. MATT FARAH: Yeah, an
LS9 with a manual transmission in this car. You are winning at life. ALEX ROY: You know something,
I bet you there are some salvage Fiskers after
hurricane Sandy. You could pick one up
for like, say, $10. MATT FARAH: Yeah,
just the body. ALEX ROY: Just the body, and
you could have the greatest sedan of all time. MATT FARAH: Yeah. Can we go down there and look? ALEX ROY: We actually should. MATT FARAH: Let’s go
down there and look ALEX ROY: We should find out. MATT FARAH: I don’t know, but
let’s go back to 12 cylinder beater cars, with– oof. ALEX ROY: Well this is,
I mean, obviously, the “Transporter” car. MATT FARAH: Yeah, the BMW 750. Well, he had a 740, didn’t he? Because he had a manual
transmission. ALEX ROY: But it was BS, because
he was shifting, and it was totally– MATT FARAH: “Fast and
Furious” shifting. ALEX ROY: This is
really the best looking, I think, 7-series. MATT FARAH: I liked it with the
James Bond wheels, when it had the sport package. The Bond wheels were good. ALEX ROY: That was
really cool. MATT FARAH: My friend’s father
had one of these. And I remember when
he bought it– and I think it was a ’97 or a
’98– he brought it home and was bragging that there were
more computers in this car than in the space shuttle, which
when the car is brand new, sounds like a
very good thing. Now all those computers are 20
years old, and that prospect sounds unbelievably scary. ALEX ROY: This car was famous
for having the dash with the little square really dim LEDs. And they always died. The dash clusters over time
were just useless. MATT FARAH: But unlike a lot
of the other cars we’re talking about, I see a ton
of these still running. ALEX ROY: Yeah, but
they’re 740s. They’re not 750s. MATT FARAH: They’re not 750s. I don’t ever see 750s. ALEX ROY: It seems like BMW
obviously they don’t sell nearly as many 7-series as
Mercedes sells S-classes. But it seems like the
differential with BMW 12 cylinders versus the 8, is it
even greater than Mercedes’s differential? MATT FARAH: I think Mercedes
sells more V12s than BMW does. ALEX ROY: But do you think
that the cost to upgrade to a 12– what is it? MATT FARAH: Its massive. ALEX ROY: It’s massive. MATT FARAH: It’s not as
big in a Mercedes. Because an S600 is $130,000,
but an S500 is $100 flat or so. In a BMW, a 750– or in this case it would
have been a 740– was like $65,000 or $70,000. The 750 was like $120. ALEX ROY: I love this car. MATT FARAH: It was
stupid expensive. ALEX ROY: But I would
not buy the 750. I’d get the 740 if I could. But these cars, you could get
a 750 in this generation for about $8,000 to $12,000. MATT FARAH: That’s
on the high end. Yeah $8,000 will get you
the world’s nicest– ALEX ROY: For $6 to $7 it’s
probably a good buy. MATT FARAH: A good beater car? ALEX ROY: Very cool. MATT FARAH: I could see it at $6
to $7, but again, with the separate ECUs for each
side of the motor– one thing goes bad in this
car and it’s totaled. It is literally a
throwaway car. ALEX ROY: But it was the last
generation 7-series before everything went modular
computerized. The E39 was the last
5-series before everything went modular. And actually, I have a lot of
faith in BMWs from the late ’90s that I don’t have today. MATT FARAH: Yeah, my dad has a
new 750, and it is terrible. At least it’s not a V12. What do we got next– and
then of course, this. This. ALEX ROY: You couldn’t
give me this car. MATT FARAH: The 2003 BMW 760. ALEX ROY: This is cheaper than
the prior generation 12 used, isn’t it? I’ve seen this for like, $6. MATT FARAH: This actual car was
on eBay right now, 2003, 60,000 miles, $18,000, which
is just over 10% of its original price eight years
ago, nine years ago. ALEX ROY: You’d have to be out
of your mind to get this car new, used, warranty– MATT FARAH: They are the
biggest waste of money. A, they’re not that
fast for a 7. They don’t look any different. I mean, look at this car. ALEX ROY: Horribly ugly. MATT FARAH: Horribly ugly,
other than the bad– the iDrive and stuff, this is a
straight up no buy, no give, no anything. Or, you could get that. We have the expert. That is a classy move. ALEX ROY: I’m going to say that
I know it’s insane to include this on this list. But I’ve seen a mint condition
DS for about $40,000. MATT FARAH: Really? ALEX ROY: Yeah, and you
know something? These things– granted, the hydropneumatic
suspension, braking, and steering system is
a little funky– MATT FARAH: No, wait
does this have– this was a 4 cylinder car? But your SM has a 6. But this is a 4. ALEX ROY: But the thing about
this car is that it had a simpler hydropneumatic
system than the SM. Because it was an
earlier system. And if you can get one in good
condition, this is amazing car, super sexy. MATT FARAH: And they
ride really– I’ve driven yours. They ride amazing. I mean, this is a classy move. ALEX ROY: Everyone’s going to
tell me I’m an idiot for including this car
on this list. But– MATT FARAH: I don’t care. I’d rather have a Citroen DS
than a BMW 760 from 2003. ALEX ROY: Well, you can have one
of these rusted and kind of running for about $4,000. MATT FARAH: Yeah, or a totally
decent one like this one right here, which looks clean,
not perfect– ALEX ROY: Probably $25 to $30. MATT FARAH: OK, so that
or an ’03 760. No question. ALEX ROY: But this or an 850? MATT FARAH: Ooh. This. I’m still taking this. ALEX ROY: I think I might
take the 850. MATT FARAH: Really? ALEX ROY: Because the 850, only
one thing can go wrong. It’s the engine. Throw the car away. This, if anything goes wrong,
you could get three 850s. Next. MATT FARAH: Is that the
last of our list? That’s the game, isn’t it? Follow us on Twitter @Drive. Follow us on Facebook. There we go. ALEX ROY: But wait, what did
we learn here today? MATT FARAH: Oh, we have to
come to some sort of a conclusion, don’t we? Are 4 cylinder cars better
than 12 cylinder cars? I think the answer is
pretty obvious, yes. ALEX ROY: Well, actually, to be
clear, if you want to own the magic of a 12 cylinder
car, you kind of have to do it soon. Because 12 cylinder cars, there
are not going to be many of them around in 10 years. MATT FARAH: Probably not. And there certainly are not
going to be any cheap ones. ALEX ROY: You know something,
we completely forgot the greatest 12 cylinder
car you can buy. MATT FARAH: A Ferrari 550? ALEX ROY: A Volkswagen
Phaeton. MATT FARAH: Oh, the picture. There should have been
a picture there. ALEX ROY: We totally forgot
to discuss the Phaeton. MATT FARAH: We missed it. ALEX ROY: The Phaeton had two
VR6 motors connected. Is that correct? MATT FARAH: It’s two
VR6s to make a W12. So it’s not a V12, which
is the basis for the Bentley GT engine. ALEX ROY: But the Phaeton was
meant to be a competitor with the S class, the A8,
the 7-series. MATT FARAH: And it was in all
respects except the badge. In fact, it was better. ALEX ROY: It’s a really
cool looking. And you could pick one up
now for about, what– MATT FARAH: $15 will get you a
12 cylinder one. $8 to $10 will get you a V8. ALEX ROY: And I bet you that is
the best value 12 cylinder car you can buy today. MATT FARAH: Probably, because
I bet you that Volkswagen dealerships would be very
happy to see you come in in that car. And they will treat
you very nicely. ALEX ROY: And you know
something, and I actually do see some Phaetons
driving around. People love driving
those cars. MATT FARAH: I see them
in California. You know who was a huge
Phaeton enthusiast? ALEX ROY: Who? MATT FARAH: Jack Baruth– owned two of them. And Mr. Sylvester Stallone, as
well, owned two Phaetons. ALEX ROY: Well then that’s where
the episode has to end. I vote VW Phaeton. MATT FARAH: As the best
12 cylinder car– used 12 cylinder– ALEX ROY: Yes. MATT FARAH: I agree. Best cheap 12 cyinder car you
can buy, V12 Phaeton. Follow us in all those places. We already told you to follow
us, especially me, @TheSmokingTire. Two straight men talking
about cars. Just two straight men
talking about cars. ALEX ROY: Our bodies rich
with faraway spices. [THEME MUSIC]

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  1. Matt said that the difference in price from a v8 to a v12 is greater at BMW than Mercedes, that is actually not true , in fact the opposite is true. The reason why BMW's v12 have a smaller price difference than Mercs is because BMW will let you have a base V12 car without any options, so you have to add the options you want yourself, so there are many v8 7 series that have more options and gadgets than their v12 variant. Mercedes on the other hand have a huge price difference between the S500 and the S600 , because an S500 comes with standard equipment while the 600 comes almost fully loaded with all the options you can put on an S class , for example , the new W222 S class 500 starts at almost 95k and the 600 starts at almost 165!!

  2. m120 is a super reliable engine expensive but super reliable and the db7 is a pretty car you shut the fuck up because your full of shit

  3. in 12 cylinder cars, since there are so many cylinders resistance in ignition is very high, at least in a jaguar XJS v12. you better have a big fat blue spark going across those plugs to properly ignite everything lol. moral of the story take car of the ignition system and wiring, thats what gets those cars, wiring.

  4. Sorry but Mercedes engines are actually pretty damn reliable, depending on model of course. But the m112 V6 and m113 V8 can go way over 200,000 miles with little to no maintenance on the engines or transmission. Ive had bot the V6 and the V8. Both made it to 160,000 miles before I sold them and they still ran no problems.

  5. Hard to understand the conversation or catch the names of the cars and details. We're not all as astute in the subject as you guys are. That's why we clicked on the video. I learned nothing. No Teachers here! I love learning about cars but really hate wasting time! YukYuk!

  6. Aslamo Alikum, peace and blessings of God be upon you. We are all brothers and sisters and children of one man Adam and one woman Eve. All people belong to God and God belongs to all of them. All people come from God and go back to God, so all are One. We are all in same boat and in same train which starts from God and ends at God. One of the God’s name is Ahsan-al-Khaliqeen which means whatever God created is extremely beautiful and excellent. So we are all beautiful and excellent. The beautiful girls and guys all around us in this world are nothing but our beloved sisters and brothers. Not only we humans are just one family but all the angels, all the devils, all the plants, all the animals, all the mountains, all the winds, all the oceans, all the insects, all the birds, earth, sun, moon, all the stars, all the planets, all the galaxies, all this universe and everything inside it is just one family created by God and there is nothing like God and none equals to God in anyway. He is All-Loving, All-Forgiving, All-Knowing, All-Merciful, All-Gracious, All-Wise and All-Powerful. So we have a very big family. May God forgive all of us and unite all of us in His love and mercy and in His obedience. If we will be thankful to God and obey Him, this world will become a paradise. And on Day of Judgment, God will give us even a bigger paradise so beautiful and lovely that we cannot imagine where all of us will live in joy and pleasure forever. Please never forget to say many thanks to God and praise Him all your days and nights and ask for His forgiveness all the time. God wants we love others like we love ourselves. Ameen. Jazak Allah. 🙂

  7. Unreliable Mercedes engines? Not the V12 in that S600… The 6.0L M120 V12 is a FANTASTIC engine, and is damn near bulletproof. Cars such as the S600 will EASILY last half a million miles, or further if you treat them right, and they make around 390-400 bhp and LOADS of torque across the entire powerband. Mercedes-Benz used the M120 V12 from 1990 through 2002 in cars such as the S600, SL600, CL600, SEC600, and SEL600. After 2002, when Mercedes quit using it in their own cars, it was licensed to Pagani for use in the Zonda. Pagani continues to use M120-derived engines for every form of the Zonda, showing that it is STILL a fantastic and HIGHLY underrated engine.

    There's also hardly a better sounding exhaust note than the one an M120 makes…

  8. its not about the price of these cars its about how much money u are going on gas these cars use alot of fuel

  9. Bmws/Porsche/Jaguar and anything made in England will eat you alive in constant repairs,junk,always were.They don't have to make good cars because people with money will always buy them for status and to look cool,and before you buy a jjeep look at the ratings-worst made for 20 yrs,amazing,they never get it.

  10. My 750iL was wonderful for the first 2 months before it broke down. $4k. You can buy rebuilt throttle bodies on eBay for about $200/pair. (Not when I had mine) To be honest, it is the kind of car that you fix with duct tape when you can, because even if you fix it right – it'll break again. And with an average of 12mpg, you're going to need to save that money for all the premium fuel you're going to burn.

  11. All I got out of this is a bunch of cars not to buy for one reason or another. I think everyone already knows not to buy a used Mercedes or BMW taxi.

  12. You didn't mention the B12 Jags or the E32 BMWs. I bought a 1989 black/black with 60K miles for $6000 from a guy who owned a coal mine. The only thing I did to the car except oil changes was a brake master cylinder. It averaged 20mpg with mostly highway driving, but I think I like my mom's 1997 Lexus LS400 better. it's quieter and is better on gas. Sold the BMW to a friend for what I paid for it, and after he passed away, his family offered it to me, which I turned down. Heard they gave it away for $3000. Might have bought it back for that.

  13. The S600 Mercedes discussed at 9:56 truly were "the tank-tanks" of all Mercedes sedans as Matt says on the video. When designed, there were some miscalculations and that series of S-Class sedans ended up being so heavy, they weren't going to be legal as passenger cars in Germany under the current German regulations. Mercedes Benz's solution? They petitioned the Germany government and managed to get the law changed!

  14. I picked up a non-turbo V12 S-Class for just over 4 grand last summer, the car is in beautiful shape. It had a service done last fall.And yes, not your average $49.99 "tune-up" — not cheap. I know that people moan and criticize, but I tell them this: IT'S GOT A FOOKIN' 12-CYLINDER ENGINE FER FUCK'S SAKE!!! Most of the loudmouths are wankers that have never even ridden in a 12-cylinder car, let alone driven one. Oh, BTW, my sedan has 11 airbags, stops on a dime, and never pulls when driving or hard braking. And yet from 80 feet, it looks like a silver GM coupé, blends right in…. I still appreciate your guys' comments, though.

  15. does the fruit with the scarf think he isn't a stupid loser cause the scarf doesn't change anything 🙂 40 k these dics don't make that in 20 years

  16. the W140 Mercedes is actually one of the best Benz ever made….these guys are fucking idiots and dont know an over engineered car when they see one

  17. Just looked into powered paragliding. IMO $15,000 gets you brand new high end equipment, and probably much more thrill. But hey that's just me.

  18. Forgot they made this… Audi Q7 V12 TDI. 493 hp @3750, 738 lb·ft @1750–3250. But you know they got busted. Thought There's a 2018 SQ7 twin turbo V8 Diesel coming.

  19. I'm not sure that I correctly understand your reasoning for preferring the 840 or 740 over the 850 or 750. Sure, replacing stuff on the 5.0 12's is more expensive than on the 4.0 8's, but I guarantee you that, at least within the U.S., the 12-cylinder engines themselves are more reliable than the 8's, which isn't saying much. The 4-liter BMW V-8's had aluminum blocks (of course). Because American gas is at least 10% ethanol-"enriched," the cylinder walls had a tendency to get eaten away, causing compression loss and making engine swaps commonplace every 30k miles or so. I used to work at a BMW dealer and, at one point, I was processing about a dozen or more warranty engine claims each week. Good engine, otherwise, but unless you have access to ethanol-free gas, don't figure on getting more than 50k miles out of one of those.

    Frankly, I think the best idea you presented in this video was buying an 850 (or 840) on the cheap and stuffing an LS in it. That sounds like a winner to me and, given the opportunity, I might just go that route myself!

  20. I own a w12 phaeton and paid $2,500 from someone who had it hidden in garage. Car is perfect inside and outside unfortunately guy tried to fix himself and more so broke it. I brought it to local vw dealer who was shocked to see it. They convinced me they could work on it (saying they had 2 certified techs) I got car back after 2weeks and they were clueless. It starts and runs great just needs some engine and tranny tlc. Still looking for a good tech in Florida.

  21. And /Drive it was a real Model Series BMW 735 CSI it was Actually Manual with a True Blue V12 and Manual Shift. it was a real car dumbass you know nothing about rare BMW's

  22. I'm surprised there was no mention of late '80's early '90's jaguar xj series cars. I've seen a couple locally in central NC listed for less than $2k! Nw THAT's a beater v12.

  23. I own a V12, BMW, E38, '98 with 86k miles. There is something very special with a V12 Engine that cannot be described in words. I have owned and driven quite a few V12's. I have used V12 at its full potential when I needed or wanted. It is like having the money and feelings that I can buy if I want without thinking. Aston Martin is not my favorite. It is neither here nor there. Yes, I have owned and driven. It is not really a Sports Car when compared to Morgan or Lotus. It is more of a show car to impress people who know not. Good luck.

  24. Depends on where one lives the market is quite different. Citroën DS will appreciate a lot now. As will I feel an XJS, also what about SII and SIII E-Types?

  25. my dad has a 750i e38. It's cool and luxurious, but the first engine was running on 6 cylinders and now the second one, after 3 years of staying in one place it starts right away.

  26. Poor 7 series. I think it's one of the best looking BMWs. Perhaps because I'm not a fan of BMW styling at all so that and the E60 are interesting to me.

  27. Actually The E38 750il is significantly more reliable than the 740. I own a very nice 1996 750 that I paid $2500 for. It's clean, runs and drives, and most of the features work.

  28. I've got an idea for dealing with ridiculous repair costs. Look for cars that have conveniantly similar parts, that you can easily modify if needed. Frankenstein supercars.

  29. What is the target audience for this show? Throwing around terms like "Super Cheap" and "affordable" with $30,000 grand price tags…Seems a little out of touch for John Q. Public.

  30. Why don’t you guys do more road testaments? I know the team has changed but it’s great to listen to conversations like this.

  31. Basically with the 03 7 series, in 10 years after having it, you’re basically better off stripping it down than to sell it?

  32. Iv'e been driving a 750il Beemer that my brother just picked up for 3k which was 280k when new. 350hp. Sucks juice harder than a cheap hooker.

  33. they really should have added the Jaguar xjs v12 to this list. I only paid $3400 for my beater xjs and a mint one is still less than $10k

  34. I absolutely LOVE 8 series BMWs and i hate beemers. The reason ive never even considered owning 1 is last time i checked the price was fairly steep for an old BMW and the best one 850csi's were alot… and that ive heard there awfull as far as reliability. Hoovies garage just dumped 1 cus it was a lost cause financially, BUT the idea of a ls swap one really got my mind thinking. They are heavy for a gt style car but even a "budget" swap with lightly warmed over cam and exhaust 5.3 making 375 hp super easily achievable would make it scoot. A old gm 5 speed would b ideal but even a low mile 4l60 would b cool and reliable and once built down the road upgrading the drivetrain would b effortless! Ls1 ls6… even turbo or lsa 5.3 …tko6 maby… Im really dreaming and vette exhaust it would still sound exotic…. cUstom 853 or 862 even 848 badges or ultimate BMW 870 LSA!…hmmmm. yeah baby! i want a BMW 870-Bi Turbo!!!! Squiiiiiiirt!

  35. That particular Toyota engine on the Lotus ISN'T particularly reliable. The oil pump disintegrates when revved too high and the engine is fatally destroyed due to oil starvation. Mercedes makes some of the most reliable ENGINES it's their other technology that causes unreliability. Which car after 2008 doesn't have reliability issues. You can't triple the number of sensors required for the engine to run and expect it to remain reliable. It's planned obsolescence.
    They are talking out of their assholes.

  36. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRxP8p3x0hY

    This guy at 11:25 was the best car critics of all time. He said in this documentary that anybody should own one and the reasons behind it.

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