Kubota BX25D VS. Kubota BX23s (side by side comparison)

Kubota BX25D VS. Kubota BX23s (side by side comparison)


[music] Neil from Messick’s here
with a Kubota BX70 series and a BX80 series
compact tractor. I know you guys are
going to start to think of us a little bit as
the Kubota BX channel and, you know, a little bit
of that can be explained in the importance that
this product line is to us. Our dealership literally sells nearly
a BX series tractor every day. We sold over 250
of these machines last year and our customers
couldn’t be happier. It is the highest volume single
product that our dealership has it’s
subcompact tractors. Reading through the comments that a lot of
guys have left on our videos in the past. It’s one thing to walk around and
point out what’s new in a tractor but it seems really useful for people
to be able to go around and look at two machines
side by side to be able to see
the actual differences. We’re going to do that here with
the 70 series and the 80 series to show the things that Kubota
has upgraded in this model. We’re going to start here at the front of
the tractor and work our way back. Most of the changes the
most significant changes for me happen in the loaders
of these tractors. You look over here on the back of
the bucket on the 70 series machine you’ll notice that the loader
arms come down and pin directly onto the backside
of the bucket. Kubota did also have
a pin type quick coupler available for this machine where you could come in
and scoop your bucket up rather than it being pinned
directly onto the loader. The 80 series has now the first skid steer coupler
that any company has ever put on a subcompact
tractor before. This isn’t just a coupler to be able
to quick remove the bucket it’s also a universal coupler that
can be adapted to other implements. The old machine you could put
things like a snow blade and that kind of thing on
but you are pretty limited into the variety of implements
that you could select. Now with this machine sporting
a skid steer compatible coupler the whole world of skid steer
compatible implements now can be put on the front
of this machine. That, for us, is a really
significant change because a tractor really
is only as functional as the implements
that you have for it and so this can open us up now
to a whole new world of things that we can do
with subcompacts. Also new is the linkage on this tractor
for the quick park loader. You’ll notice that there’s some pieces
right here on the inside of the loader that are not over here
on the older 70 series loader. These pieces allow you to
fold down the parking stand without getting off
the seat of the tractor. Simply by pulling a lever you can
release this parking stand and lower it down for
the removal of the loader. You’ll notice we have
other BX series videos showing the process of taking
this loader on and off. It’s very, very easy
it can be done from the seat and really should take you
less than a minute. Another big change here
in the loaders is the way that you disconnect the hoses
between the loader and the tractor. In the new machine here you have
this single lever quick coupler which in order to remove
all the hoses you simply pull out a locking pin
and lift a handle which removes all the hoses in
one shot and leaves this clean, flat face couplers
left over. The older series machine uses
what every other tractor literally uses which is
a simple pioneer coupler. If you’ve ever done a hydraulic coupler
before there’s a 99% chance that this is probably
what you used. To do this is actually
fairly simple. You pull a collar
and they drop off but when you do it they tend
to lose a little bit more fluid and they can be really
finicky under pressure. The new quick single
lever quick coupler is a really cool feature on
that new series tractor and something I really hope
that we start to see migrate into
other models. The 70 series uses
a flip-up hood like all the other BX series
before had done. A simple latch-up here
and the hood will fold forward. Not a bad solution but
when you want to really dig in and service this tractor you also need to pull these
side covers off here as well to really access
the sides of the engine, say if you could change your fuel
filters and those kinds of things which are located
behind there. On the new series tractor now
the hood is a single piece. The grill guard here
can fold front and then you have a little lever
back here on the side that you can pull. See if I can do this
from the opposite side. The whole hood comes
forward as one piece. You can now to get to all of your service
points from the side of the machine without having to pull off
side cowlings and stuff. Another thing too that
I like about its design is that the side panel
on the hood are all tack welded
together on the inside just removing body panels that
can vibrate against each other. You should hear some less shakes
and less rattles on this tractor because there’s not
as many seamed parts as there are on
the older models. Most of the things that are
down here under the hood are the same as
the older tractors were. It’s exactly
the same engine, same radiator and air cleaner set
up that’s been used for years. One new thing
down here though is this canister plastic
looking thing. You may look at that
and initially think emissions equipment
and it’s not. It is there solely to hold down
the noise from the tractor. When they switched
to this hood design apparently one of the things the
operators were able to notice was a difference in the engine
tone and engine noise and so this was put on here in
order to quite the air intake to keep the engine
running quite. From the operator’s platform,
there are a lot of changes and a lot of updates. Most noticeably
is the dash. When you look at the dash
on the new 80 series the gauges are all
analog and they’re backlit versus the older series machine
that used an analog tach but a digital gauge for a lot of the fue
l levels and those kind of things. This was lit but not nearly
as visible and nearly as easy to read as what the
newer 80 series dash is so there is some
nice improvements there. Also on this machine, you’ll notice
that the steering wheel tilts. There’s a lever right here on the dash
that you can do and the steering wheel will
tilt up and down versus the older series
that were fixed in place. The one nice thing that we
like about tilt wheel is that it lets you adjust for
a larger or a smaller operator. It’s not so much as a positioning thing
where you want your hands to be. If you’re short and you need
to be closer to the wheel totally tilting it down
brings it closer to you or if you’re a larger operator and
you need a little bit more space folding it up gets
it away from you. Having a tilt wheel can
accommodate a larger variety of operators comfortably. You’ll notice too that
the loader stick has changed. A big change for us in
that now you can set your elbow right up here
on the seat and have your hand rest right here
on the loader control. There’s also a third function valve
that can give front hydraulics out the loader with buttons
that will go on to this knob. On the older series, your loader valve is
out in front of you. This is fairly common
on other tractors, but having it to
the side is usually a more comfortable
operating position. Having those third function options available from the factory
is really nice as well. We’ve been able to do third
functions on these tractors by working the hydraulics
up ourselves but when the factory makes
kits available to us it always comes out
a lot cleaner and a lot nicer and more polished than when
we work things up in the shop. Most operators are always out with
their cell phone in their pocket and their drink
in the cup holder. You can see here on
the 70 series tractor we were able to
accommodate that with a nice large cup holder
right over here on the side and a plug for your cell phone
down here around the bottom. The 80 series improves on that
by keeping the cup holder here at the side but creating a storage
compartment for your phone and its power jack right
around the back here. One problem that we often
have with those DC plugs is that when they’re exposed
to the elements and they get wet the metals that are on the inside
of them tend to corrode really quickly. They don’t hold up
real well to the weather. By putting that plug here
inside of the cup holder it should last a lot longer
and keep it from corroding. Another thing that changed between
the 70 and the 80 series is the height
of the ROPS. The 70 series
had a roll bar that was just a little bit too
high to pull into a standard seven-foot garage door. By dropping that now about
three inches on the 80 series you can now leave
your roll bar up keep your safety equipment in
the up and engaged position and still be able to
pull into a garage door without taking the door
out on your way in. Also in the top of the roll bar are
pre-drilled holes for work lights. We always get very concerned
when we see customers drilling on roll bars in order
to mount work lights because roll bars
are safety equipment once you’ve modified them you’re now opened a liability if
that roll bar happens to fail in a rollover and so you’ll never see
a dealer drill on a roll bar. Now in the 80 series,
there are pre-drilled holes in the roll bar that
are done by the factory and so they’re certified
for safety as well. Now that gives us that place
to be able to mount work lights and stuff
in different various positions around the roll bar. On the backhoe versions
of these tractors, we went from the BT602 backhoe
to the BT603. Really the hoe’s themselves
are virtually unchanged except for one
significant difference in the way that
they mount the tractor. The older machine mounts
into the tractor with a pin probably about
a large inch and a quarter pin that goes between
the backhoe and the tractor. You can see the orange part here
at the back is the backhoe the grey part
is the tractor. This is a really
common setup. That’s how most backhoes
are put on machines and to remove it you simply pick
the whole rig up in the air pushing the backhoe
and the tractor together forcing that pin into alignment
and you pull it out. The one problem
that we find is that many people don’t take
their backhoes off frequently and what will happen is
paint will start to stick or things will start to
corrode a little bit in place and those pins will be
a bear to get out. Sometimes requiring you
to get a hammer or something
to tap them out. Kubota does a new
cam system now here on the new BT603. To remove this backhoe
you simply pull this lever out rotate it into an up position
removing this locking mechanism right here and allowing the cam
to open so backhoe can
fold off the tractor. We have several other videos
showing that process done repetitively and exactly
how those pieces work. There’s an improvement
here to show basically in the way that
the backhoe comes off the tractor. Now both hoes come off both of them aren’t really
that big of a deal but as machines wear and they start
to get a little bit more rusty and things start
to stick in place hopefully the owners
of the 80 series tractors will have a little bit
easier time of things. These are some of the changes between
the 70 and the 80 series BX tractors. If you have any questions about this
you can give us a call at Messick’s we’re available at
800-222-3373 or online at
messicks.com. As always, we’re always looking
for trades for these machines. The 70 series machines
resell very, very well. If there are improvements here in
the new series that you would like certainly give us a call you might be surprised
at the cost difference that we can give you
between these two series. [music]

About the Author: Michael Flood

44 Comments

  1. i just brought home a BX25 today, i think i am going to really like it, your videos are great thanks

  2. great video as always if you ever stop working at messicks i bet kubota would hire you thanks again for the great videos

  3. Can I ask what is the total cost of the 80 Series shown as is? (Bucket & Backhoe) Compared to the 70 Series?
    My husband & I are looking and comparing prices, between a Deere & Kubota…And to be honest, it seems you're paying for the John Deere name brand.
    Thank you in kind.

  4. One thing worth mentioning that my dealer told me today ( not sure if it's true but made sense.)  The new quick release system of the bx23s weighs about 100lb more so the loader has to work harder just to lift the bucket and can't left as much for this reason.  The dealer did mention however he would still get bx23s

  5. does the quick hitch for the BX25 blade/ Snow blower/sweeper fit and function on the 23s? Is there an adaptor for the foot hydraulics to the new hydraulics hook up connector?

  6. I see that Kubota have made changes to keep up with companies like John Deere, and their next upgrade will probably have the easy hitch feature like John Deere. That is the reason I picked John Deere for my upgrade, and since my older tractor have given me great service.

  7. Kubota should have installed grease fittings on those pins to reduce the possibility of pins "freezing" or "sticking" in the hole.

  8. I have a 2002 BX 23 and it has cams instead of pins for the hoe. It still works sweet. My only complaint with it at all are the hydraulic couplings hold pressure sometimes. Great tractors

  9. Great videos. Kubota dealers everywhere should thank you. I just bought a BX23s from my local dealer in part because of your videos.

  10. Looks like kubota used Paul Short's mod ideas on the new machine. The holes in bucket and rear of the bucket has a guard to keep dirt from falling back on tractor/operator. And no telling how many more mods he came up with kubota copied. Give credit where credit is due. Paul Short is truly the "Master". These are truly nice machines, though. I plan on getting me one in the near future.

  11. Sure wished you guys were local. I have a 15 2670 I’m looking to swap for a 23 but don’t know if I should trade it in or try and sell it myself. Thanks for the video. I’m definitely getting a 23.

  12. Just this year I purchased my first tractor, a very lightly used Kubota L4060 HSTC Grand Cab. I must say, by watching these Messick videos I certainly have learned a wealth of information. Keep up the good work. Now where's that video I watched regarding that little button on the joysticķ? Off to search…….

  13. Dang it, I only have eight more payments on my BX25D and now I have to go out and buy a 23S. I need to stop watching your vids!

  14. Not sure how anyone can give a thumbs down on this video, as it's informative and very useful. In Australia, just put a new BX23S on order, and had debated whether I should have gone with a second hand 25D to save a few grand. This answered the question perfectly that I made the right choice, given there wasn't that much price in it, as I got a great deal on a new unit, and the second hand hold their value so well, the difference was not that much. Thanks very much for the helpful video!

  15. I have only had my BX23s for month and a half it has done very well very comfortable you can use it all day long and not be wore out very pleased so far.

  16. The BX25 would have been useless to me today. My 2380 will fit through my gate, the 25 wouldnt have. I used my 2380 to secure large 1500 lb plus limbs while removing a siberian elm alone. The 2380 proved I made the right choice in size of machine for my needs. –

  17. I just bought one and am waiting on delivery. These videos are proving very helpful. I suggested to my dealer that they do something similar. Great idea Messick's, if I lived near you I would have purchased mine from you.

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