Why it’s Dumb to use Cartridge Oil Filters in Your Car

Why it’s Dumb to use Cartridge Oil Filters in Your Car


one, two, three, four! Rev up your engines! It’s time for the Scotty Kilmer Channel today I’m going to talk about why I hate
these modern canister oil filters, where you got to take them all apart and replace just the
paper part inside, now my first beef is cost, now why does this filter cost more
than this filter, it’s just paper, this has all kinds of stuff inside it, they’re
just ripping you off on the price, now this is on a Toyota Highlander, and
granted I call up the Toyota dealer, at least they’re fair, they charge five
dollars for the paper one and seven dollars for the metal one, at least
they’re not ripping you off, but about this one on a local auto parts store and
they charged tons more, usually the dealers have the highest prices, so they’re just
ripping you off with these stupid things, I guess they figure, your not going to drive
the whole way to a dealership to save a few bucks, but really, it’s a ripoff that
they charge so much for these stupid paper ones at auto parts stores, and
secondly, look at the difference, these are spaced further apart, these are
closer together, so you actually get worse filtration with these stupid paper
ones, and then of course, comes a problem of getting these stupid things off,
because as you can see here, they’re an oddball shape, and you have to buy a
special wrench just to get the stupid things off, and take my advice, when
you buy one, buy a metal one like this, I tried the plastic ones, but they just
snapped off because they were so cheap too, then when you put the tool on, you
have to take it off, which comes off with a tool, don’t ever try to do it with a
wrench or something because it’ll just strip it all apart, and of course it makes a gigantic mess, because you got to take all this stuff apart, and oil
gets all over the place, now when I was a kid in the sixties starting to work on cars,
they had old cars like this, I thought we were going forward with technology, not
backwards, and then you have to put a new rubber seal on it, lubricate that, and
screw it back on, now with modern engines being so complex with variable
valve timing and other editions to them, why on earth are they going to a cheaper
filter that doesn’t filter as well instead of using a tried and trued metal
canister one that we’ve used for decades, I mean really, they have less filtration
area, they’re a bigger pain to change, why on earth are they putting these things
in modern cars, well the only thing I can think that
they’re thinking is, it’s cheaper to make them, because everything’s plastic,
and since they don’t filter as well, the engines will wear out faster, then they’ll
sell you another one, so there’s planned obsolescence involved too, but if you have one of these stupid oil canisters on your car, take my advice,
when you buy a filter, buy one that’s got synthetic materials, so at least it’s
going to filter as well as it can, and last longer because the synthetic
materials don’t break down as fast as the paper does, I’m just happy that all
my cars are older and they use high-quality extended life oil filters
on them, that are in a can, and remember if you’ve got any car questions just
visit the Scotty Kilmer channel and I’ll answer them as soon as I get back
from the twilight zone.

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  2. They have adapters now for these!!! I also detest these cartridge things 😉 And I am looking into getting one of the adapters. I drive my car extensively for work and change my own oil. Thousands of miles per month. So it will be worth it to me. I have a late model Camry that should run a good long while yet, or longer.

  3. Reason some company's switch to the canister is because they are eco friendly…too many spin on filters are thrown away at landfills with oil still left in them.

    I agree with them on that part but I prefer spin on filters…it gets the job done quicker.

  4. My citroën has a plastic oil filter housing and paper filter inside. Unbolt the lid and lift out the old one and put in new. The old alley ones are paper inside so not much has changed

  5. They do this because modern engines have more specific requirements for the bypass and anti-drain back valves in the filters. Instead of trusting idiots to buy oil filters with the correct specs, they built the valves into the engine, so you only replace the filter element itself.

    As for the “paper” being cheaper with less filtration, if you cut open an OEM Denso Toyota filter, you’ll find that exact filter element. Toyota seems to generally favor flow rate over micron rating and filtration efficiency.

    I will agree, however, that they are more of a pain to change, especially when you access them from underneath. I wish they would put them all on top. But the Toyota filter housing has a drain valve so you can empty the housing before you remove it. It’s less of a mess that way.

  6. they do it so people can't change their oil anymore and have to bring it to a professional or even worst stop changing their filter and eventually get another car….

  7. Finally someone who shares my disgust for these 1950's style cannistser oil filters, duh, And plastic housings to boot. Junk!

  8. It's the Mercedes school of auto parts. No matter what we make you gonna pay. Now Mercedes swears their filter is better, they say that about anything with the tristar on it. Most just swear at them.

  9. My 2014 VW came with a cartridge filter and a "composite" (plastic) filter cover. I like it though because it's upside down under the hood so it drains out so there's no mess when I screw it off to change it.

  10. Dang near an impossible oil change on the Toyota cartridge-style filter setup. I have a Highlander V6 with that same filter setup and spent two days trying to loosen the metal oil filter housing in order to change the filter — all to no avail. I ended up having to take the car to a shop where, no kidding, it took two men with a 5-FOOT BREAKER BAR to loosen the filter housing once they had the vehicle up on the lift. Even they had to work at it a long time. This is a new level of oil change insanity. I like Toyotas, but that's the worst oil filter design ever. It's almost like Toyota made it intentionally difficult for the home mechanic to change the oil . . . .

  11. have to disagree with you on this scotty. My corolla is a pleasure to change, and my tundra is only a little bit messier. They actually make less mess than some cannisters i've used… I am used to them from bikes and fourwheelers…. they seem to work fine and aren't that messy for me… but HEY…

  12. Its claimed to be a environmental thing. Less waste product to deal with, and no crushing required if you work at a shop and are required to stay in line with EPA laws. At the end of the day, crushing 30 some oil filters in the crusher is a monotonous and annoying task.

    that set aside… these canisters are a pain for techs. They simply require more time and attention, more risk of breaking parts and the higher risk for comebacks because the ring starts to leak. A number of other vehicles use these as well. In different shapes and sizes. GMs, german vehicles, some hyundais….. just to name a few…

    Just my 2 cents.

  13. Scotty, they have a tool to drain the cap so it doesn't make a mess like that. Use a ratchet and take out the center piece, screw in the drain tool/hose and drain the cap. Once its drained then take it off.

  14. Oil filters do nothing, unless its a toilet paper filter from Amsoil or Franz. Scotty you should know you must change your oil to filter it. Thats why your generation cars didn't oil filters – bcs they understood cars.

  15. Scotty –
    I thought Planned Obsolescence and Toyota were enemies. Now you tell me that you have caught them together, well past the point of chance meeting or dalliance. The end has come. Toyota has crossed over to the Dark Side.

  16. My car requires replacement of the oil filter (paper with the metal for screwing in on top and for inserting into the filter cover, and a new o-ring), which is an odd design, and the Chevys on my driveway have the full 9 yards for the filter.

  17. Ya, as a Toyota owner, I don't get this either. I thought oil filters that you replace from the top of the engine was strange. BINGO! Murphy's Law!

  18. Sorry but those paper filters are less messy, so I am convinced and you could use any 1/2 wrench to open that filter.

  19. Are you retarded or something. On the bottom of that oil filter in the toyota, there is LITERALLY a square there so you can use a ratchet without a socket on it.

  20. Ecological sensitivity was the reason for the change from metal external cartridges to internal paper filters.

    Car manufacturers being "eco" friendly is absurd in the extreme.
    Darwinian theory suggests that we let all car drivers gas the environment, pollute the environment, cause death to millions through cancers, brain disease,and accidents, and transfer vast wealth to the middle east.

    Eventually normal and sane people will retake the streets, previously stolen by the car, and in Europe, we can enjoy peace, quiet
    and the art of pleasant conversation while walking to the shops.

  21. paper cartridges are more environmentally friendly and easier to recycle. Just about all the vehicle manufacturers are doing it now days on one model or another. The main problem with the paper cartridge design is whoever's changing the oil Could easily contaminate the filter housing. Good bye engine Scotty!

  22. Those kind of filters can make any sense when they are accesible from above. Most modern cars come with a plastic cover underneath (for noise isolation I guess) and they usually are meant to have the oil extracted by vacuum from above too. But for those that sit under the car, the "canned" model is way better.

  23. My local auto store sells the cartridge filters that are as good as cans, and they are also not all plastic, and they cost less than can filters…

  24. Hey Scotty; At the bottom of those idiotic canisters is a drain plug. All oil elements come with the plastic drain valve, and both O rings. I do hate those canisters. I have a  2015 Toyota 4Runner with a plastic housing that cracked. Purchased a replacement aluminum housing. If someone could tell me how to change the canister filter housing to a regular screw-in filter, please let me know.Also can someone tell me where is the oil pressure sending unit located on a 2015 Toyota 4runner engine. Thank you.

  25. Not to mention Scotty, many of the Toyotas come with the canister oil filters have a plastic filter cap

  26. Love it when Scotty goes off.. but he is right we are going backwards in technology. And thats just stupid

  27. Modern VW TSI canisters are great. Super easy and way cleaner than any spin on. Toyota V6 Tacoma’s up near the oil fill cap spin on’s are fantastic though… those Toyota V6 canisters are the worst..

  28. Let`s see….Mr. Kilmer
    Preaches about those "stupid" filters but keeps a Fram branded one for comparison (Fram filters are notorious for their bad quality).
    Suspends the SUV without safety support (safety should come first!) – but has a nice hydraulic system unused right beside the car…
    Implies that the engineers are good enough to design complex engines but are also stupid enough to put bad filters on them…

    Scotty, those 51 years of automotive work should have been also teach you something about decency.

  29. if you don't want the mess you could screw a drain plug in the middle of the canister… but I do hate this kind of filter also

  30. Okay Scotty, My 2009 RAV4 has one of these filters. So what is the difference between a regular WIX filter and a WIX-XP filter. Which one is closer to the OEM Toyota filter?

    Oh and aren't you supposed to drain the oil out of the filter housing before you remove it so it doesn't make such a mess?

  31. Toyota uses these filters so most customers will bring their vehicles in for service and charge them a boatload because the owners don't know how to do it themselves

  32. i thought i was the only one hating those miserable things… the oily mess is absolute… i buy mine in bulk 20 pcs for 3bucks each

  33. Don't buy a POS Toyota and buy American where the filter housing is on the top of the engine where it should be!

  34. It might be an ecology thing, the waste would be much less than the metal, silicone and rubber you get from a canister oil filter. If that would be the case then I agree with this filters. If Toyota,, BMW and other brands are using them then they must be good enough.

  35. Well. You were shitting on the design, yet you offer no remedy for your complaint. These cars are putting serious miles and I really doubt these filters you hate will effect the life span of these cars equipped with these lubrication system type. I have a 1.8 2010 corolla with over 250,000 miles with no issues. Use it to haul my Sportbike’s across state lines! These filters are a breeze to install. It must have been a slow week for uploading videos for this channel. 👎

  36. There are a couple of things wrong with your video: 1. I bought a couple of cases of these from a dealer and paid under $3/filter, so that makes them cheaper. 2, if you buy an OEM filter, it comes with a plastic tool to drain the filter before you take the canister off which keeps you from making a mess. If you do that, it's even neater than a metal filter. Other than that, I do agree that metal filters are easier to deal with. I currently have two Toyotas that use those, but I bit the bullet and bought the tool years ago for $25. Not a bit deal over 200K or more miles.

  37. Costed 7.89 for a paper filter for a Chevy cruze and I got a standard oil filter for a kia forte for 3.56!

  38. We live in an age that people are willing to be stupid and spend $80,000 for a car or truck. Then pay $150 for an oil change. As long as people want to be stupid and pay exhorbant high prices for everything, the manufactures will oblige these people.

  39. I have to disagree with you!

    VW TDIs, of which we have three, all with upside down cartridge filters (cap at the top), are no bother at all. My sister got 100k out her old Vento TDI, with a total of 200k when it was scrapped due to other mechanical failures.

    My local VW garage reckons the local VW TDI taxis clock up 400k. As far as know all VW TDIs use cartridge filters.

    Regarding the filtering medium, its dependent on the filter manufacturer. We use Mann brand because they're OE to VW.

    The only faulty filter I've ever had bother with was a canister type where a hole had rusted through causing an oil leak.

    Have you written letters to the likes of the SAE to voice your concerns?

  40. Hey Scot ty! I had one of these on my '09 G5 2-dr.; but didn't make a mess because it was located on top of the engine. HOWEVER every time I changed it the PAPER media, IT was ALWAYS COLLAPSED (caved in) in a spot. Probably though did not affect the filtration quality. Guess couldn't take the pressures inside the oil system! ANYONE else run into that with cartridge type of filer??–TTDRon!

  41. Are you able to switch from this type filter to the old cool canister one ? Went to do the oil change on a 2012 Prius I just got and 🤯 wtf !!!

  42. If im not mistaken the 65 and 66 Chevy biscane/bel air/impala(same car different trim levels) used a canister type oil filter and went back to a metal one because the canisters kinda suck to change. I use a canister on the one dirtbike because you have no choice.

  43. As annoying as this guys is, I've been searching all over for what the difference is between the paper filter that the auto store tricked me into buying, and all the metal filters I've seen in the online oil change demos. Thanks so much for explaining! Literally the only explanation I've found of why I came home with an overpriced paper filter.

  44. Haha. Toyota FAIL. I love the cartridge filter on my DODGE 3.6L VVT. Up on top, the screw cap has a big nut molded in so I can use my socket wrench . No spills. No draining. MOPAR is $9 at AutoZone and STP is $5. I have 178,000 miles no engine or transmission problems.

  45. I've seen this on my motorcycle, but when I worked on a friend's VW Passat, it was my first time seeing it on a car. I had no idea they were using them on cars until I saw it for myself. I guess it's more environmentally conscious? I'm surprised California doesn't make it required being "oh so environmentally conscious" and then send stormtroopers to your door to "buy back" all your cars that use spin-off filters.

  46. I like my older cars because they use these higher quality older metal filters! Can’t believe you said that while holding a Fram filter in your hand Scottie

  47. Take it easy, Scotty! This reduces waste. Spin-ons throw out all that metal when all you really need to replace is the paper! Also, as someone else commented, this way you don't touch (replace) the critical bypass valve with every filter change. Third, it's good to be able to check the filter element for debris as it gives clues to engine health, as someone else commented.

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